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Old 12-19-10   #121
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Well those look like objective domain names. The problem is that there have been lots of plagues and famines in history, and lots of slave revolts and lots of ruined cities and civilizations. But Exodus makes some pretty dramatic claims which would leave some pretty dramatic evidence which is sorely lacking. All our evidence points to the same conclusion: Around 1100-900, members of a nomadic, Palestinian people were taken into captivity in Babylon; there they were introduced to writing and new ideas, and in an effort to preserve their own identity, they created a new one based on equal parts absorption and rejection of Babylonian ideas and myths, rejecting the hedonistic and decadent lifestyle they encountered in particular. The laws and history are probably based on oral traditions and likely contain kernels of truth, but thousands of years of Egyptian history keeping fail to record every first born son dying in a single night, and no one has records of relations with a kingdom even close to the Biblical account of David's Israel.
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Also, this;

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In 1761, Barthold Niebuhr, a German explorer, found a huge cemetery with tombs and a sepulcher atop an inaccessible mountain called Sarbut-el-Khaden. Inscriptions were found on the tombs and inside the sepulcher. (Voyage en Arabie, tom. i. p. 191). Niebuhr offered his doubts that the inscriptions were made by Egyptians as no carved inscriptions were ever found in Egypt; rather they were partial to painting images on plaster
Is a ridiculous claim. See evidence;

http://www.library.cornell.edu/colld...st/alphorg.htm
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Well those look like objective domain names. The problem is that there have been lots of plagues and famines in history, and lots of slave revolts and lots of ruined cities and civilizations. But Exodus makes some pretty dramatic claims which would leave some pretty dramatic evidence which is sorely lacking. All our evidence points to the same conclusion: Around 1100-900, members of a nomadic, Palestinian people were taken into captivity in Babylon; there they were introduced to writing and new ideas, and in an effort to preserve their own identity, they created a new one based on equal parts absorption and rejection of Babylonian ideas and myths, rejecting the hedonistic and decadent lifestyle they encountered in particular. The laws and history are probably based on oral traditions and likely contain kernels of truth, but thousands of years of Egyptian history keeping fail to record every first born son dying in a single night, and no one has records of relations with a kingdom even close to the Biblical account of David's Israel.
i like your kernels of truth line and enjoy stories with a strong moral or lesson, it is sort of neat that they are discovering more about what created Us as humans in a society, especially hand writing, that seems to be sadly dying out.

generally it seems while some of the stories are dramatically embellished, that most of the issues are it's timeline compared to incidents that actually did happen. So i'm not disagreeing with you, i just find this topic more interesting to discuss, and this is off topic.

my friend is the Egyptian hobbyist, i'm the heretical Christian.
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Codes, Programs, and Information 3

Life contains matter, energy, and information (e).

e. How can we measure information? A computer file might contain information for printing a story, reproducing a picture at a given resolution, or producing a widget to specified tolerances. Information can usually be compressed to some degree, just as the English language could be compressed by eliminating every “u” that directly follows a “q”. If compression could be accomplished to the maximum extent possible (eliminating all redundancies and unnecessary information), the number of bits (0s or 1s) would be a measure of the information needed to produce the story, picture, or widget.

Each living system can be described by its age and the information stored in its DNA. Each basic unit of DNA, called a nucleotide, can be one of four types. Therefore, each nucleotide represents two (log24 = 2) bits of information. Conceptual systems, such as ideas, a filing system, or a system for betting on race horses, can be explained in books. Several bits of information can define each symbol in these books. The number of bits of information, after compression, needed to duplicate and achieve the purpose of a system will be defined as its information content. That number is also a measure of the system’s complexity.

Objects and organisms are not information. Each is a complex combination of matter and energy that the proper equipment—and information—could theoretically produce. Matter and energy alone cannot produce complex objects, living organisms, or information.

While we may not know the precise amount of information in different organisms, we do know those numbers are enormous and quite different. Simply changing (mutating) a few bits to begin the gigantic leap toward evolving a new organ or organism would likely kill the host.

“Information is information, not matter or energy. No materialism which does not admit this can survive at the present day.” Norbert Wiener, Cybernetics; or, Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine, 2nd edition (Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Press, 1948), p. 132.

Werner Gitt (Professor of Information Systems) describes man as the most complex information processing system on earth. Gitt estimated that about 3×10^24 bits of information are processed daily in an average human body. That is thousands of times more than all the information in all the world’s libraries. [See Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 2nd edition (Bielefeld, Germany: CLV, 2000), p. 88.]

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown
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I've come to the conclusion that Pahu is a gimmick account of Wicked's to mock the ease with which I allow myself to be trolled into long-winded and futile arguments, since I see no other reason why anyone, anywhere, would ever want to continue this bullshit.
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I guess since people keep posting in this thread he assumes that we're reading his shit. But if I see blue, I zone out.
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i was initially thinking of a ps3 but the more i hear about xbox's the more i'm considering one of them.

the movie capabilities intrigue me.
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Codes, Programs, and Information 4


All isolated systems, including living organisms, have specific, but perishable, amounts of information. No isolated system has ever been shown to increase its information content significantly (f). Nor do natural processes increase information; they destroy it. Only outside intelligence can significantly increase the information content of an otherwise isolated system. All scientific observations are consistent with this generalization, which has three corollaries:

Macroevolution cannot occur (g).
Outside intelligence was involved in the creation of the universe and all forms of life (h).
Life could not result from a “big bang” (i).

f. Werner Gitt (Professor of Information Systems) describes man as the most complex information processing system on earth. Gitt estimated that about 3×10^24 bits of information are processed daily in an average human body. That is thousands of times more than all the information in all the world’s libraries. [See Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 2nd edition (Bielefeld, Germany: CLV, 2000), p. 88.]

“There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.” Ibid., p. 107.

g. Because macroevolution requires increasing complexity through natural processes, the organism’s information content must spontaneously increase many times. However, natural processes cannot significantly increase the information content of an isolated system, such as a reproductive cell. Therefore, macroevolution cannot occur.

“The basic flaw of all evolutionary views is the origin of the information in living beings. It has never been shown that a coding system and semantic information could originate by itself in a material medium, and the information theorems predict that this will never be possible. A purely material origin of life is thus precluded.” Gitt, p. 124.

h. Based on modern advances in the field of information theory, the only known way to decrease the entropy of an isolated system is by having intelligence in that system. [See, for example, Charles H. Bennett, “Demons, Engines and the Second Law,” Scientific American, Vol. 257, November 1987, pp. 108–116.] Because the universe is far from its maximum entropy level, a vast intelligence is the only known means by which the universe could have been brought into being. [See also http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...tml#wp1052519]

i. If the “big bang” occurred, all the matter in the universe was at one time a hot gas. A gas is one of the most random systems known to science. Random, chaotic movements of gas molecules contain virtually no useful information. Because an isolated system, such as the universe, cannot generate nontrivial information, the “big bang” could not produce the complex, living universe we have today, which contains astronomical amounts of useful information.

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown
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Is the Wii not any good? I'm not into video games these days.
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wii

there are a few games on this platform that anyone can enjoy, whether the last time you picked up a controller was a decade ago or yesterday. it's definitely marketed towards the family unit so dealing with a bit of g-rated material is necessary.

ps3 vs. xbox

in many ways this is the same as a chevy vs. ford argument. they both work well and have amazing attributes, but you will naturally gravitate towards one or the other based on either the controller set up or a specific game. if you've read all of this then it's easy to realize that this thread is now about console or pc-based games and pahu is a faggot that thought he could troll darkforum with shit that we already know. so grab your playstation 3 or xbox 360 controller and figure out if graphics, playability or general lack of interest in this thread will keep you posting about some of the most exciting game consoles that we've seen in decades. i for one know that with the blu-ray capabilities, it's the play station 3 that gets my vote.
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Speaking of PC based games, lets not rule them out yet. I believe the recent release of Cataclysm shows that the PC market is still out there, and it is still huge, and there are still some great PC only titles set to come out soon. Granted, the PC market is dominated by MMOs and RTS games now, which is a shame because shooters are so much better with a mouse and keyboard, however its hard for junior to get his dad off of youporn long enough for him to play a game of MW:Black Ops, so the return of FPS games to the PC is probably not going to happen.
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Is the Wii not any good? I'm not into video games these days.
it's mainly known for it's wire free controllers, but they have more family/kid games which is ideal for my daughter, but i think the knect system is much cooler and she wants an xbox to play halo.

does ps3 have those options?

As for pc games, i'm still waiting for guildwars 2.
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I have a wii, I haven't played on it in months, it just gathers dust. I really want to invest in a PS3, aparrently, they're free to play online aren't they? I prefer the PS to Xbox, I think the Xbox has too many defects with it. I hear the slimline xbox's don't get the red ring, was going to buy that for my cuz this year but I was a bit worried about it knacking up like the old xbox 360.
I really want a ps3, I am considering that, I was told the eyetoy is better than kinnect (spelling?)
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Not eye toy, is that what they call it? It works like kinnect?
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Speaking of PC based games, lets not rule them out yet. I believe the recent release of Cataclysm shows that the PC market is still out there, and it is still huge, and there are still some great PC only titles set to come out soon. Granted, the PC market is dominated by MMOs and RTS games now, which is a shame because shooters are so much better with a mouse and keyboard, however its hard for junior to get his dad off of youporn long enough for him to play a game of MW:Black Ops, so the return of FPS games to the PC is probably not going to happen.
fps shooters originated on the computer so i see no reason why there would be a departure from this platform. in fact, now that the free for play model has become a viable market i think we'll see a resurgence in all forms of pc-based games until the consoles finally catch up.
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I hope you're right, and I agree that FPS games will always have a cult following on the PC, probably enough that games intended for console play will continue to be ported to the PC. However I don't see many PC-only FPS titles coming out in the future. The genre's base players have moved to the consoles.
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