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Old 06-02-07   #1
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President Bush has torn the conservative coalition asunder.

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President Bush has torn the conservative coalition asunder.

What political conservatives and on-the-ground Republicans must understand at this point is that they are not breaking with the White House on immigration. They are not resisting, fighting and thereby setting down a historical marker--"At this point the break became final." That's not what's happening. What conservatives and Republicans must recognize is that the White House has broken with them. What President Bush is doing, and has been doing for some time, is sundering a great political coalition. This is sad, and it holds implications not only for one political party but for the American future.

The White House doesn't need its traditional supporters anymore, because its problems are way beyond being solved by the base. And the people in the administration don't even much like the base. Desperate straits have left them liberated, and they are acting out their disdain. Leading Democrats often think their base is slightly mad but at least their heart is in the right place. This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place.

For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don't like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.

But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad."

The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic--they "don't want to do what's right for America." His ally Sen. Lindsey Graham has said, "We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up." On Fox last weekend he vowed to "push back." Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff suggested opponents would prefer illegal immigrants be killed; Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said those who oppose the bill want "mass deportation." Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said those who oppose the bill are "anti-immigrant" and suggested they suffer from "rage" and "national chauvinism."

Why would they speak so insultingly, with such hostility, of opponents who are concerned citizens? And often, though not exclusively, concerned conservatives? It is odd, but it is of a piece with, or a variation on, the "Too bad" governing style. And it is one that has, day by day for at least the past three years, been tearing apart the conservative movement.

I suspect the White House and its allies have turned to name calling because they're defensive, and they're defensive because they know they have produced a big and indecipherable mess of a bill--one that is literally bigger than the Bible, though as someone noted last week, at least we actually had a few years to read the Bible. The White House and its supporters seem to be marshalling not facts but only sentiments, and self-aggrandizing ones at that. They make a call to emotions--this is, always and on every issue, the administration's default position--but not, I think, to seriously influence the debate.

They are trying to lay down markers for history. Having lost the support of most of the country, they are looking to another horizon. The story they would like written in the future is this: Faced with the gathering forces of ethnocentric darkness, a hardy and heroic crew stood firm and held high a candle in the wind. It will make a good chapter. Would that it were true!

If they'd really wanted to help, as opposed to braying about their own wonderfulness, they would have created not one big bill but a series of smaller bills, each of which would do one big clear thing, the first being to close the border. Once that was done--actually and believably done--the country could relax in the knowledge that the situation was finally not day by day getting worse. They could feel some confidence. And in that confidence real progress could begin.

The beginning of my own sense of separation from the Bush administration came in January 2005, when the president declared that it is now the policy of the United States to eradicate tyranny in the world, and that the survival of American liberty is dependent on the liberty of every other nation. This was at once so utopian and so aggressive that it shocked me. For others the beginning of distance might have been Katrina and the incompetence it revealed, or the depth of the mishandling and misjudgments of Iraq.

What I came in time to believe is that the great shortcoming of this White House, the great thing it is missing, is simple wisdom. Just wisdom--a sense that they did not invent history, that this moment is not all there is, that man has lived a long time and there are things that are true of him, that maturity is not the same thing as cowardice, that personal loyalty is not a good enough reason to put anyone in charge of anything, that the way it works in politics is a friend becomes a loyalist becomes a hack, and actually at this point in history we don't need hacks.

One of the things I have come to think the past few years is that the Bushes, father and son, though different in many ways, are great wasters of political inheritance. They throw it away as if they'd earned it and could do with it what they liked. Bush senior inherited a vibrant country and a party at peace with itself. He won the leadership of a party that had finally, at great cost, by 1980, fought itself through to unity and come together on shared principles. Mr. Bush won in 1988 by saying he would govern as Reagan had. Yet he did not understand he'd been elected to Reagan's third term. He thought he'd been elected because they liked him. And so he raised taxes, sundered a hard-won coalition, and found himself shocked to lose his party the presidency, and for eight long and consequential years. He had many virtues, but he wasted his inheritance.

Bush the younger came forward, presented himself as a conservative, garnered all the frustrated hopes of his party, turned them into victory, and not nine months later was handed a historical trauma that left his country rallied around him, lifting him, and his party bonded to him. He was disciplined and often daring, but in time he sundered the party that rallied to him, and broke his coalition into pieces. He threw away his inheritance. I do not understand such squandering.

Now conservatives and Republicans are going to have to win back their party. They are going to have to break from those who have already broken from them. This will require courage, serious thinking and an ability to do what psychologists used to call letting go. This will be painful, but it's time. It's more than time.

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You know it's bad when someone like Peggy Noonan starts writing things like this.

For the people that don't know, Peggy Noonan was Reagan's speechwriter, and has been a popular conservative columnist since the end of that administration.
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I am so pissed off over this fucking immigration garbage that I feel like killing someone.
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They will never solve the illegal immigration problem if they dont first solve the legal immigration problem. It is far too fucking difficult, time consuming, and expensive to immigrate here legally, so naturally people are going to go around it.
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They will never solve the illegal immigration problem if they dont first solve the legal immigration problem. It is far too fucking difficult, time consuming, and expensive to immigrate here legally, so naturally people are going to go around it.
I agree in part. But I want the border closed 1st before anything. THEN you solve that shit. We need to station the military on the border with orders to shoot to kill all illegal crossings. I don't give a fuck if its just people looking to make a living, they need to fucking obey our rules.

Right now the fucking border is wide open, border authority isnt allowed to do shit, and the incentive to come with the new Z Visa is so fucking great that youd be stupid NOT to come here illegally.
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I do agree that the border MUST be secured FIRST. After you achieve that and can garuntee you know who is entering the coountry then you can start allowing more to enter. When you enter illegaly you commit a CRIME. I smoke pot and if I were busted I wouldnt complain too much about the sentence Im given, after all it is illegal, just the law that makes it so. I say if you enter legaly "welcome, I want you hear, friend, brother, sister, American". If you enter Illegaly then you shouldnt expect things to be easy nor should you be able to work or rent PERIOD.
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I agree in part. But I want the border closed 1st before anything. THEN you solve that shit. We need to station the military on the border with orders to shoot to kill all illegal crossings. I don't give a fuck if its just people looking to make a living, they need to fucking obey our rules.

Right now the fucking border is wide open, border authority isnt allowed to do shit, and the incentive to come with the new Z Visa is so fucking great that youd be stupid NOT to come here illegally.
i guess you found your calling billy. take your white ass down to texas and shoot mexicans. you want it done right, you have to do it yourself.

you're a fucking cockknob. FOR GOD SAKE'S dont procreate.
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i guess you found your calling billy. take your white ass down to texas and shoot mexicans. you want it done right, you have to do it yourself.

you're a fucking cockknob. FOR GOD SAKE'S dont procreate.
If I could get away with murdering people Gus believe me, you'd be a pit stop id be willing to make. Ooooooooh PWNT

Speaking of procreation, get that paternity test done yet?
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If I could get away with murdering people Gus believe me, you'd be a pit stop id be willing to make. Ooooooooh PWNT

Speaking of procreation, get that paternity test done yet?
what kind of dumbass bullshit line is that? you'd have to find me first, used condom. no, i havnt gotten the pat test done, does your girls baby look like me or something?
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what kind of dumbass bullshit line is that? you'd have to find me first, used condom. no, i havnt gotten the pat test done, does your girls baby look like me or something?
Well from what I remember you couldn't make kids before even without birth control and then this one "happened" just as your woman was on the verge of leaving you and had run off with another man... Is that chronological or am I off?

And My woman thankfully is childless, I wouldn't bring a kid into the world if I was capable of raising it properly.

And finding you would probably be easy, you work as Po Boys grill don't you?
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my sperm is very selective, bill. they're like the green berets of spermdom.

i really dont see your point. and using capital in "My" sounds so fucking khalani, dont be that asshole, you're better then that, wait, nah, keep on doing it.
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my sperm is very selective, bill. they're like the green berets of spermdom.

i really dont see your point. and using capital in "My" sounds so fucking khalani, dont be that asshole, you're better then that, wait, nah, keep on doing it.
Yeah Gus, your sperm is "selective" it has a mind of its own... I think you should go for the paternity test anyway. Any man who has watched Maury at least once should learn that lesson.
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you watch maury? what a fag.
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you watch maury? what a fag.
Fuck yeah, that shits funny. I actually always half expected to see you on there too.
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shit, i was all wrong, i thought you watched it to tell your cousins and brothers "yeah, i saw you on maury and you looked fuckin great. you are going to get some serious tail after that shit. you're famous."

take a flying fuck, bill. i dont need your shit tonight.
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MAURY: When it comes to child in question, Gaetano you are NOT the father!

Crowd: OOOOOHHHHH!!!!!!! OHHH KILL DAT BITCH!

Gus: NoooooOooOoOOOOOOOoooooooo *runs into the off stage room and cries on the couch with Maury following behind*

Maury: Gus... gus... thats what it is, can you come back out? Do you want to say anything?

Gus: Y...yes.. I ddonet kare whaht no test sez, i pay for the babey its my babey Moorie! Im dat baybes daddy! *whimper*

Oh god that would make my day.
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how does someone speak with poor spelling? how does that work?
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you're a lot more hot air then you're worth, spielburg. keep making your shit movies about some bullshit, you're not worth the time. make sure you listen to wicked the whole time. catch you on the flip, punk ass.
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how does someone speak with poor spelling? how does that work?
I can only assume you speak like a retard most of the time, since thats the way you spell. Well sorta the way you spell.
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And finding you would probably be easy, you work as Po Boys grill don't you?
you fucking piece of shit, motherfucker, you edited that shit. you're really worthless. you fucking fag.
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