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Old 03-10-06   #1
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? Iraq war

Just wondering if anyone had a historical example of a nation successfully liberating another nation from its established goverment.
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What do you define as "successful"? No bloodshed? Limited bloodshed? Lots of bloodshed?

There's no such thing as a successful liberation. And I use the word "liberation" extremely loosely.
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people are capable of governing themselves would equal success as that appears to be the goal
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the americas from england...i believe france helped us at some point.
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the americas from england...i believe france helped us at some point.
that was the people rising up to overthrow the existing goverment. The situation in Iraq is completely diffrent.
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With the help of France the America's were liberated from English control and the United States was formed.

Sounds about the same. Sure there are some differences but it amounts to the same thing.

India was ruled by the English for years and are now governing themselves.
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people are capable of governing themselves would equal success as that appears to be the goal
Why would that equal success? "Liberated" people still elect terrorist organizations into power. That's not success.
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With the help of France the America's were liberated from English control and the United States was formed.

Sounds about the same. Sure there are some differences but it amounts to the same thing.

India was ruled by the English for years and are now governing themselves.
I guess if France had come in conqured all of the Americas and then let the "forfathers" build a goverment with the intention of turning power over to that goverment it would have been the same. I dont think this happened though so I fail to see the similiarity.
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Why would that equal success? "Liberated" people still elect terrorist organizations into power. That's not success.
aint the democratic process a bitch
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I guess if France had come in conqured all of the Americas and then let the "forfathers" build a goverment with the intention of turning power over to that goverment it would have been the same. I dont think this happened though so I fail to see the similiarity.

I agree. It's not the same thing. Iraq's people weren't rising up against the tyranny of the government. Iraq's people are rising up and trying to annihilate the "liberators".
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I agree. It's not the same thing. Iraq's people weren't rising up against the tyranny of the government. Iraq's people are rising up and trying to annihilate the "liberators".
And each other...

Oh wait, no. I forgot that Rumsfeld said there isn't any civil war building in Iraq, and of course everything he says is the gospel truth.
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I guess if France had come in conqured all of the Americas and then let the "forfathers" build a goverment with the intention of turning power over to that goverment it would have been the same. I dont think this happened though so I fail to see the similiarity.
you're right

one has been proven an effective method in assuring the successful liberation of one country from another, and there are many instinces in history...versus the "our way or you're a terrorist way" choice for liberation they are forced to choose...between.

and die either way.
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And each other...

Oh wait, no. I forgot that Rumsfeld said there isn't any civil war building in Iraq, and of course everything he says is the gospel truth.

iraq? look at how america's becoming...

don't get me started on that opinion.
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It's past time to admit some major mistakes have been made. And it's past time to start rectifying them. With Iran threatening us, we simply can't afford to be fighting a war on two fronts. Something's got to be done.
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Sadly the way it looks, the situation will only be rectified when we start dropping guided missiles into any Iranian nuclear facilities. Maybe a little fallout will persuade them against nuclear power.

As per the original question. Japan? We toppled thier government then practically wrote them a brand new consitution complete with anti military clauses. MacArthur was running Japan for a while, he even had the Emporer as a puppet.
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Sadly the way it looks, the situation will only be rectified when we start dropping guided missiles into any Iranian nuclear facilities. Maybe a little fallout will persuade them against nuclear power.

As per the original question. Japan? We toppled thier government then practically wrote them a brand new consitution complete with anti military clauses. MacArthur was running Japan for a while, he even had the Emporer as a puppet.
thats a good example one I didnt think of. now I would like to know how unfied the people were in Japan at the time (Iraq has a couple diffrent groups that all want to rule)

there are a few other issues that also might have made that work. 1)Japan lost a war they started the people would have had some expectation that there were going to be changes made (you gets what coming to you), 2) the world was more in our corner at the time, not one but 2 Atomic Bombs.
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you're right

one has been proven an effective method in assuring the successful liberation of one country from another, and there are many instinces in history...versus the "our way or you're a terrorist way" choice for liberation they are forced to choose...between.

and die either way.
not sure exactly what your getting at but if your saying the only way this really works in history is for the people to overthrough the existing goverment then we are on the same page.

Iam not questioning the war in Iraq I question the feasablity of implementing a sustainable democracy in that country.
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not sure exactly what your getting at but if your saying the only way this really works in history is for the people to overthrough the existing goverment then we are on the same page.

Iam not questioning the war in Iraq I question the feasablity of implementing a sustainable democracy in that country.

are there any reasonable feasibilities when it comes to iraq, now they have all been debunked?

the only way a democracy will work, is if the people want it to..otherwise it's just wasted resources...
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that was the people rising up to overthrow the existing goverment. The situation in Iraq is completely diffrent.
Tell that to the thousands of Iraqi soldiers dying to make their country hole again, asshole.
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Tell that to the thousands of Iraqi soldiers dying to make their country hole again, asshole.
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