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Old 03-08-06   #1
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Bush backed into a corner... and he did it to himself. Again.

After Bush stated he would flat-out veto any attempt at blocking the Dubais company from controlling our ports, Democrats and Republicans are attempting to tack on an amendment to the bill regarding Katrina and other relief funding.

So if Bush vetoes one, he vetoes them all. Interesting, ain't it?


Here's the thing. Is this company America-friendly? Sure. But is it in the country's best interest to employ Arabs at the most vulnerable parts of America? I don't know. But Bush did this to himself. After point blank saying that they're all out to kill us, he's now opening the doors. If we're supposed to get on board with sacrificing our personal freedoms for the sake of national security, what the fuck is he thinking by doing this? My problem isn't with the Arabs at the ports. My problem is with the blatant hypocrisy that's taking place for the sake of lining the pockets of the rich.
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At least it looks so outragous that its making people question his leadership for once.
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Bush is on a whole other plane right now. There's one thing that's bigger than any government in the world: money.

I simply can't figure out his angle. So the only thing I can come up with is that he's a money hungry tard.
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bush has iraq completely under control...what is there to fear from those nations anymore?
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i just don't understand if we went to war with iraq because of the threat they presented, why are other nations of the same mind set allowed to raise even bigger, more real threats?

what made saddam hussein so much more of a danger than the al quida, and why are they still out and about?

...are we really that much more safe; now that iraq is "out of the way"?

i don't see the point to it...i'd question the reasons for any president to have american soldiers die for a universal ideal, that so far has done nothing to ensure the safety of america, but to implement the same system of government to an enemy nation...

look what's happening to america...
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i just don't understand if we went to war with iraq because of the threat they presented, why are other nations of the same mind set allowed to raise even bigger, more real threats?

what made saddam hussein so much more of a danger than the al quida, and why are they still out and about?

...are we really that much more safe; now that iraq is "out of the way"?

i don't see the point to it...i'd question the reasons for any president to have american soldiers die for a universal ideal, that so far has done nothing to ensure the safety of america, but to implement the same system of government to an enemy nation...

look what's happening to america...
The bullshit of it all is that we go invade countries to implement democracy, and we were told we'd be greeted like heroes. Well we're not being greeted like heroes. We're being blown up. And the very system that our soldiers are dying to put in place, is the system that elected a terrorist group into power. And now that that has happened, we're turning our backs on Democracy and saying "fuck you". There is no easy solution to Iraq. We can't pull out. We can't stay in. It's bad all around, and there's no clear end in sight. I think Bush has bungled this badly.. not so much because we're there. But more because of his endless pro-war rhetoric. At least Genghis Khan admitted he was an asshole.

Back on the topic of national security... You don't have HBO, do you? You would probably enjoy Bill Maher's show. He had an excellent panel of guests not too long ago: Danny Glover, Irshad Manji, and Gary Hart. All 3 are from the "left", but they had a fantastic discussion regarding Iraq, Dubais, and Bush's love for lining his own pockets. This is one of my favorite quotes:

"But, excuse me, how would you think President Bush would feel if we said to him, 'Okay, let's have your Secret Service detail be taken over by the United Arab Emirates?' 'If it's okay for all of us, let's have the Arabs protect you, and just hope that ticking sound is Dick Cheney's pacemaker.'" – Bill Maher
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The ports wouldn't be taken over by UAE, the US Coast Guard still runs security. The ports were owned by Britain before, it makes the US look like jackasses to say that we support Arab nations and then to not allow an arab ally to run a business in the US.
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It makes the US look like jackasses when we profile Arabs for the sake of national security, claim they're all out to kill us, and then open up our ports for their control.
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why do they have to be arab countries...what countries do the al quida occupy, can no other countries provide whatever goods they have?


i suppose america does need the money...oil still sells and labor is cheap in other nations...stimulating growth in some obscure manner for the less rich person.

...where does this all leave the average american in america today and in relation to the rest of the world?

they have americans frightened of the very people they are intending to do business with?

an average arabian would be subject to profiling and the threat of the homeland security act...for talking on the phone...and attacked with zealous fury...what makes the business men any different?

i think those representing humanity have some skewed ideals concerning what's best for humanity, and they keep us fighting among ourselves...what do they really want for the world?
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I don't think that they care, so long as they can continue to live their lives the way they are used to living them.
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It makes the US look like jackasses when we profile Arabs for the sake of national security, claim they're all out to kill us, and then open up our ports for their control.
I dont recall any of our leaders claiming that all Arabs are out to kill us, and once again the ports wouldnt be under their control, all security would be handled by the Coast Guard.
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Meh... they backed out anyways....
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I dont recall any of our leaders claiming that all Arabs are out to kill us, and once again the ports wouldnt be under their control, all security would be handled by the Coast Guard.

Dude. Read. I'm not saying I have an issue with it. I'm pointing out the holes in the logic. Once again, you can't profile Muslims and Arabs for the sake of national security and expect us to sacrifice our personal freedoms for the sake of national security if you're going to open up the ports for a foreign country. Arab or not. There's something wrong with that logic.
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I dont recall any of our leaders claiming that all Arabs are out to kill us, and once again the ports wouldnt be under their control, all security would be handled by the Coast Guard.
how much funding have they received for upping the security at american borders, how much coastal space is there around the united states?
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The ports thing is a moot point anyway, the UAE in an act of good faith is going to turn it over to an American Entity. God I hope its Halliburton, just to mess with the Dems.
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Dude. Read. I'm not saying I have an issue with it. I'm pointing out the holes in the logic. Once again, you can't profile Muslims and Arabs for the sake of national security and expect us to sacrifice our personal freedoms for the sake of national security if you're going to open up the ports for a foreign country. Arab or not. There's something wrong with that logic.
The ports were owned by Great Britain.... don't they count as foreign? You can argue that they are allies in the war on terror, but then again... so is UAE.
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The ports were owned by Great Britain.... don't they count as foreign? You can argue that they are allies in the war on terror, but then again... so is UAE.

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.... expect us to sacrifice our personal freedoms for the sake of national security if you're going to open up the ports for a foreign country. Arab or not. There's something wrong with that logic.
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