Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions
Home Register FAQ
Go Back   Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions > Discussions > Topic Discussions
Reload this Page The Rage For Order Syndrome
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-27-04   #1
Lanthros
Embracer Of The Dark
 
Lanthros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: somewhere
Posts: 324
Lanthros is on a distinguished road
Credits: 21,764
The Rage For Order Syndrome

The premise of this ideal is pretty simple. All things any human may ever do in a case of agression, abounding chaos, etc.. is an attempt at creating/restoreing order out of said chaos. This may sound rather against the common thought of human nature being destructive (which we are fairly destructive in a way) but bare with me while I go through the process of explaining this ideal to you.


First of all let us examine what would most likely happen if tomorow ALL governments and authorities no longer existed. Ofcourse there would be an utter fall out with much violence, death, theft, rape, victimization on all levels, etc.. takeing place. This would likely go on for a very long time. Eventualy over the course of anywhere between months to years in time you would start seeing some form of organization spring forward. There would be first of all gangs most likely slowly morphing into clans all lead by the ones who have lashed out so tremendously and so forcefully that they have earned the fear and or respect of those around them. These leaders ofcourse would automaticly set up "laws" based on his personal views to keep those under his command in check and fearing. These groups of people then take on the simbalance of small governments in that way creating a small mockery of the order once known. It doesent end here though. Soon enough these groups will start to spread and fight with other groups for supremacy. Over time Fully fledged governments WILL arise out of that chaos be they good bad right or wrong they will still form.


The key factor in this syndrome that most if not all of us are afflicted with is dominance in one way or another. An anarchist even in succeding in cuaseing a more extreme version of the above events is still falling into this cycle. In causeing said events he still holds a power of dominance over the rest of the world makeing it all fall into his views of what is best. His place in the "rage for order syndrome" falls thusly, he is able to say "I did this to you I am better because look at how I have effected all of yoru lives. Build it up and I can crush at all down again". This is pretty self explanatory.in my mind.


What person out there can honestly say that they have never had the thought "if I were in charge things would be better" or some form of such? I myself have had thoughts along those lines Im sure you have as well. This in its self is a form of expressing the desire for your own brand of order. The rage expresses in us all when our views on said things are challenged by others with seperate views. Hence the formation of debates, arguments, fights, wars, etc.. .



There are ofcourse countless more examples of this in existence. I would like you all to post examples youve come up with of this syndrome and or your debates against the theory this proposes. Please ofcourse use the best logic your all capable of (this is ofcourse harder for some Ive seen then others lol) and please try to give full examples rather then brief descriptions.
__________________
To define what is you in turn define what is not. Deffinition creates a form of existance even in nonexistants.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-04   #2
sixxx(sic)six
satanic teddybear
 
sixxx(sic)six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Under your bed with a very sharp knife...and nekkid!
Posts: 14,741
sixxx(sic)six is on a distinguished road
Credits: 395,024
hmm....times like this i wish i wouldn't have dropped that "philosophy of government" course....pity
__________________
I was masturbating
just contemplating
the color of suicide
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-04   #3
Lanthros
Embracer Of The Dark
 
Lanthros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: somewhere
Posts: 324
Lanthros is on a distinguished road
Credits: 21,764
you dont need a course in such things to form opinions of them lol. As far as everything Ive seen in life this is a pretty sound theory but I would like some other people to either support or debate against it with logicly sound instances.
__________________
To define what is you in turn define what is not. Deffinition creates a form of existance even in nonexistants.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-04   #4
sixxx(sic)six
satanic teddybear
 
sixxx(sic)six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Under your bed with a very sharp knife...and nekkid!
Posts: 14,741
sixxx(sic)six is on a distinguished road
Credits: 395,024
i like to go into my arguments prepared for war....in this case, i have nothing
__________________
I was masturbating
just contemplating
the color of suicide
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-04   #5
Lanthros
Embracer Of The Dark
 
Lanthros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: somewhere
Posts: 324
Lanthros is on a distinguished road
Credits: 21,764
lol well atleast your honest there
__________________
To define what is you in turn define what is not. Deffinition creates a form of existance even in nonexistants.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-04   #6
RedMeat
Sweet Zombie Jesus
 
RedMeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: On the fringe
Posts: 28,443
RedMeat will become famous soon enoughRedMeat will become famous soon enough
Credits: 311,095
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanthros
The key factor in this syndrome that most if not all of us are afflicted with is dominance in one way or another. An anarchist even in succeding in cuaseing a more extreme version of the above events is still falling into this cycle. In causeing said events he still holds a power of dominance over the rest of the world makeing it all fall into his views of what is best. His place in the "rage for order syndrome" falls thusly, he is able to say "I did this to you I am better because look at how I have effected all of yoru lives. Build it up and I can crush at all down again". This is pretty self explanatory.in my mind.
I`ve always thought of the anarchist view of order being one of breaking it down into lower groups, possibly evolving until it reaches the individual level and stays there. You could argue that establishing such a system would be a form of dominance in itself since it does effect the world, but that overlooks the vital point of the complete equal distribution of power.
In the end rage for order may be the natural state of things but that does not mean we can evolve beyond that. Seeking to impose order in the world around you is often just a reflection of the lack of order in your own life, or in your own mind, rather than following any noble ideal. If those cases decrease over time then it is likely that both the destructive nature of mankind and it`s desire to impose order will also decrease.
__________________
Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.

Darkness squeezes, Satan`s platypus rises tonight! Bork, bork, bork!
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-04   #7
Lanthros
Embracer Of The Dark
 
Lanthros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: somewhere
Posts: 324
Lanthros is on a distinguished road
Credits: 21,764
That pretty much kind of goes along with what I was saying I was just being as brief on the subject as possible. I could ofcourse have broken the entire theory down into much smaller and more specific instances but I wasnt in the mood to write a philosophy book lol. Motivation aside it still basicly works to the same end. An anarchist may work out of a seperate set of ideals and with different tactics with a different "goal" in mind then the rest of the world but they still in the end fall into the rage for order syndrome just over a longer time frame it completes with the same result.
__________________
To define what is you in turn define what is not. Deffinition creates a form of existance even in nonexistants.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-04   #8
Lanthros
Embracer Of The Dark
 
Lanthros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: somewhere
Posts: 324
Lanthros is on a distinguished road
Credits: 21,764
As far as the reasons for imposeing order in the rest of the world, I cant agree or disagree because it ends up being different reasons for everyone. Humans are after all just animals that run in intricate packs that change in a different way then others. While I limited my original post on this to humans as examples it does extend to all liveing animals really. The differance is, the rest of the animal kingdom doesent have illusions clouding thier visions of why they do what they do.
__________________
To define what is you in turn define what is not. Deffinition creates a form of existance even in nonexistants.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Recent Threads
what surprised you today?
04-11-13 17:55
Last post by thefr0g
8 Hours Ago 14:31
what have you eaten...
12-24-03 19:43
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
12 Hours Ago 10:09
Darkforum Youtube!
03-25-13 07:48
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
13 Hours Ago 09:32
Science Disproves...
11-01-10 14:38
by Pahu
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
13 Hours Ago 09:27
vote or die
1 Week Ago 01:56
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
13 Hours Ago 09:20
vote or die
1 Week Ago 02:02
Last post by Sic Simon
2 Days Ago 21:45
long Sunday
3 Weeks Ago 18:00
by DaxterK
Last post by Sic Simon
1 Week Ago 01:46
BATH SALT ZOMBIES
12-04-13 11:20
Last post by Sic Simon
1 Week Ago 23:34
I'm drinking Vodka,...
09-02-17 23:28
by thefr0g
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
1 Week Ago 22:44
Overflowing asylums
2 Weeks Ago 01:23
Last post by Sic Simon
2 Weeks Ago 03:25
Online Users: 54
0 members and 54 guests
No Members online
Most users ever online was 1928, 06-09-15 at 18:20.
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com

© 2006 - 2016 Dark Forum | About Dark Forum | Advertisers | Investors | Legal | A member of the Crowdgather Forum Community