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Few More Examples Of Christianities Duplicity.

Christians like to think that thier entire Religion is completely Unique and derived from God and God alone. In my thread about the Enuma Elsih I covered but one story which predates Genesis and has many things in common with it and was met by acidic and vehement denial. Thusly I decided to present even more "plagarized" ideals which the Christians have adopted as thier own. If you know of more than the first three I will list feel free to add onto my list.

These first three deal with Jesus and the similarities between him and older Gods who came before the ideal of Christ.

First lets look at Horus of Egypt.

From--- http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm353771.html

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The stories of Jesus and Horus are very similar, with Horus even contributing the name of Jesus Christ. Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable in the mythos ("I and my Father are one").4 The legends of Horus go back thousands of years, and he shares the following in common with Jesus:

Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger42, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old. Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist." He had 12 disciples. He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead. He walked on water. Horus was transfigured on the Mount. He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected. He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc. He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys"). Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story. In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis - the original "Madonna and Child"48 - and the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra49, who shares many qualities with Jesus and who existed as a deity long before the Jesus character was formalized. The Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced50. Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to water to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier pagan mystery religions.""

Next lets look at Mithra a Persian Sun-God.

MITHRA, Sungod of Persia

""The story of Mithra precedes the Christian fable by at least 600 years. According to Wheless, the cult of Mithra was, shortly before the Christian era, "the most popular and widely spread 'Pagan' religion of the times." Mithra has the following in common with the Christ character:

Mithra was born on December 25th. He was considered a great traveling teacher and master. He had 12 companions or disciples. He performed miracles. He was buried in a tomb. After three days he rose again. His resurrection was celebrated every year. Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd." He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah." He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb. His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ. Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected. His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper."""

And last but not least lets look at Krishna an Indian Messiah.

""The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah are many. Indeed, Massey finds over 100 similarities between the Hindu and Christian saviors, and Graves, who includes the various noncanonical gospels in his analysis, lists over 300 likenesses. It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was "Christna," which reveals its relation to '"Christ." It should also be noted that, like the Jewish godman, many people have believed in a historical, carnalized Krishna.

Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki ("Divine One") His father was a carpenter.54 His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants. He was of royal descent. He was baptized in the River Ganges. He worked miracles and wonders. He raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind. Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love. "He lived poor and he loved the poor." He was transfigured in front of his disciples. In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.58 He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. Krishna is called the "Shepherd God" and "Lord of lords," and was considered "the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator, Universal Word."59 He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself the "Resurrection" and the "way to the Father." He was considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End," ("Alpha and Omega"), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. His disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," meaning "pure essence." Krishna is to return to do battle with the "Prince of Evil," who will desolate the earth.""

Any comments are welcome.

I will list more but leave these for discussions firstly
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Lets look closer at Krishna of India of whom the Evidence for parallels is almost overwhelming. Here are over 300 parallels. I may go into a few of them more indepth yet here they are for your perusal. There are quite a few of them.

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The advent of each Savior was miraculously foretold by prophets.

The fallen and degenerate condition of the human race is taught in the religion of each.

A plan of restoration or salvation is provided for in each case.

A divine Savior is considered necessary in both cases.

The necessity of atoning for sin is taught in the religion of each.

A God, or Son of God, is selected as the victim for the atoning sacrifice in each case.

This God is sent down from heaven in each case in the form of a man.

The God or Savior in each case is the second person of the Trinity.

Chrishna, as well as Christ, was held to be really God incarnate.

The mission of each Savior is the same.

There is a resemblance in name -- Chrishna and Christ.

Chrishna, as well as Christ, was incarnated and born of a woman.

The mother in each case was a holy virgin.

The same peculiarities of a miraculous conception and birth are related of each.

Each had an adopted earthly father.

The father of Chrishna, as well as that of Christ, was a carpenter.

God is claimed as the real father in both cases.

A Spirit or Ghost was the author of the conception of each.

There was rejoicing on earth when each Savior was born.

There was also joy in heaven at the birth and advent of each.

Chrishna, as well as Christ, was of royal descent.

Their mothers were both reputedly pious women.

The names of two mothers are somewhat similar -- Mary and Maia.

Each had a special female friend -- Elizabeth in the one case, and the wife of Nanda in the other.

Neither Savior was born in a house, but both in obscure situations.

Both were born on the 25th of December.

Both, at birth, were visited by wise men and shepherds.

The visitors were conducted by a star in each case.

The rite of purification was observed by the mothers of each.

An angel warns of impending danger in each case.

The incumbent ruler was hostile in each case.

A bloody decree in each case for the destruction of the infant Savior.

A flight of the parents takes place in both cases.

The parents of one sojourned at Muturea, the other at Mathura.

Each Savior had a forerunner -- John the Baptist in one case, Bali Rama in the other.

Both were preternaturally smart in childhood.

Each disputed with and vanquished learned opponents.

Both became objects of search by their parents.

And both occasioned anxiety, if not sorrow, to their parents.

The mother of each had other children -- that is children begotten by man as well as God.

Both Saviors retired to, and spent considerable time in the wilderness.

The religious rite of "fasting" was practiced by each Savior.

Each delivered a noteworthy sermon, or series of moral lessons.

Chrishna, as well as Christ, was called and considered God.

Each was both God and the Son of God (so regarded).

"Savior" was one of the divine titles of each.

Each was designated "the Savior of man," "the Savior of the world," &c.

Both expressed a desire to "save all."

Each sustained the character of a Messiah.

Chrishna, as well as Christ, was a Redeemer.

Each Savior was called "Shepherd."

Both were believed to be the Creator of the world.

Each is sometimes spoken of, also, as only an agent in the creation.

Both were the "Light and Life" of men.

Each "brought life and immortality to light."

Both are represented as "the seed of the woman bruising the serpent's head."

Was Christ a "Dispenser of grace," so was the Hindoo Savior.

One was "the lion of the tribe of Judah," the other "the lion of the tribe of Saki."

Christ was "the Beginning of the End," Chrishna "the Beginning, the Middle, and the End."

Both proclaimed, "I am the Resurrection."

Each was "the way to the Father."

Both represented emblematically "the Sun of Righteousness."

Each is figuratively represented as being "all in all."

Both speak of having existed prior to human birth.

A dual existence -- an existence in both heaven and earth at once -- is claimed by or for both.

Chrishna, as well as Christ, was "without sin."

Both assumed the divine prerogative of forgiving sins.

The mission of each was to deliver from sin.

Both came to destroy the devil and his works.

The doctrine of the "atonement" is practically realized in each case.

Each made a voluntary offering for the sins of the world.

Both were human as well as divine.

Chrishna, as well as Christ, was worshiped as God absolute.

Each was regarded as "the Lord from Heaven."

Chrishna, as well as Christ, had applied to him all the attributes of God.

Was Christ omniscient, so was Chrishna.

Was one omnipotent, so was the other (so believed).

And both are represented as being omnipresent.

Each was believed to be divinely perfect.

Was one "Lord of lords," so was the other.

Each embodied the "power and wisdom of God."

All power was committed unto each (so claimed).

Chrishna performed many miracles as well as did Christ.

One of the first miracles of each was the cure of a leper.

Each healed "all manner of diseases."

The work of casting out devils constitutes a part of the mission of each.

Each practically proved his power to raise the dead.

A miracle appertaining to a tree is related of both.

Both could read the thoughts of the people.

The power to detect and eject evil spirits was claimed by both.

Both had the keys or control of death.

Each led an extraordinary life.

Each had a character for supernatural greatness.

Both possessed or claimed a oneness with the Father.

A "oneness with his Lord and Master" is claimed, also, for the disciples of each.

A strong reciprocal affection between Master and disciple in each case.

Each offers to shoulder the burdens of his disciples.

A portion of the life of each was spent in preaching.

Both made converts by their miracles and preaching.

A numerous retinue of believers springs up in each case.

Both had commissioned apostles to proclaim their religion.

Each was an innovator upon the antecedent religion.

A beautiful reform in religion was inaugurated by each Savior.

Each opposed the existing popular priesthood.

Both abolished the law of lineal descent in the ancient priesthood.

Each was an object of conspiracy by his enemies.

Humility and external poverty distinguished the life of each.

Each denounced riches and rich men, and loathed and detested wealth.

Both had a character for meekness.

Chastity or unmarried life was a distinguishing characteristic of each.

Mercy was a noteworthy characteristic of each.

Both were censured for associating with sinners.

Each was a special friend to the poor.

A poor widow woman receives marked attention by each.

Each encounters a gentile woman at a well.

Both submitted unresistingly to injuries and insults.

General practical philanthropy and impartiality marks the life of each Savior.

Each took more pleasure in repentant sinners than in virtuous saints,

Both practically disclosed God's attempt to reconcile the world to himself.

The closing incidents in the earth-life of each were strikingly similar.

A memorable last supper marked the closing career of both.

Both were put to death by "wicked hands."

Chrishna, as well as Christ, was crucified.

Darkness attended the crucifixion of each.

Both were crucified between two thieves.

Each is reported to have forgiven his enemies.

The age of each at death corresponds (being between thirty and thirty-six years).

Each, after giving up the ghost, descends into hell.

The resurrection from the dead is a marked period in the history of each.

Each ascends to heaven after his resurrection.

Many people are reported to have witnessed the ascension in each case.

Each is reported as having both descended and ascended.

The head of each, while living on earth, was anointed with oil.

DOCTRINES
There is a similarity in the doctrines of their respective religions.

The same doctrines are propagated by the disciples of each.

The doctrine of future rewards and punishments is a part of each system.

Analogous views of heaven are found in each system.

A third heaven is spoken of in each system.

All sin must be punished according to the bible teachings of each.

Each has a hell provided for the wicked.

Both teach a hell of darkness and a hell of light.

An immortal worm finds employment in the hell of each system ("the worm that dieth not.")

The arch-demon of the under world uses brimstone for fuel in one case, and oil in the other.

The motive for future punishment is in both cases the same.

Each has a purgatory or sort of half-way house.

Special divine judgments on nations are taught by each.

A great and final day of judgment is taught by each.

A general resurrection also is taught in each religion.

That there is a "Judge of the dead" is a doctrine of each.

Two witnesses are to report on human actions in the final assizes.

We are furnished in each case with the dimension of heaven or "the holy city."

Man is enjoined to strive against temptation to sin by each.

And repentance for sin is a doctrine taught by the bible of each.

Each has a prepared city for a paradise.

The bibles of both teach that we have no continuing city here.

Souls are carried to heaven by angels, as in the instance of Lazarus, in each case.

A belief in angels or spirits is a tenant of each religion.

The doctrine of fallen or evil angels is found in both system.

Obsession by wicked or evil spirits is taught by each.

Both teach that sickness or disease is caused by evil spirits.

Each has a king-devil or arch-demon with a posse of subalterns or evil spirits.

Both bibles record the story of a "hellaballoo" or war in heaven.

Both teach that an evil man can neither do nor speak a good thing.

Both teach that sin is a disadvantage in the present life as well as in the future.

The doctrine of free will or free agency is taught by each.

Predestination seems to be inferentially taught by each.

In each case man is a prize in a lottery, with God and the devil for ticket-holders.

Both make the devil (or devils) a scapegoat for sin.

Both teach that the devil or evil spirits as the primary cause of all evil.

The destiny of both body and soul is pointed out by each.

The true believers are known as "saints" under both systems.

Saints with "white robes" are spoken of by each.

Both specify "the Word of Logos" as God.

Wisdom, too, is personified as God by the holy Scriptures of each.

Both teach that God may be known by his works.

The doctrine of one supreme God is taught in each bible.

Light and truth are important words in the religious nomenclature of each.

Both profess a high veneration for truth.

"Where the treasure is, there is the heart also," is taught by each.

"Seek and ye shall find" is a condition prescribed by each.

Religious toleration is a virtue professed by both.

All nations are professedly based on an equality by each.

Both, however, enjoin partiality to "the household of faith."

The doors of salvation are thrown open to high and low, rich and poor, by each.

Each professes to have "the only true and saving faith."

There is a mystery in the mission of each Savior.

"Rama" is a well known word in the bible of each.

"The understanding of the wise" is a phrase in each.

Both speak figuratively of "the blind leading the blind."

"A new heaven and a new earth" is spoken of by each.

The doctrine of a Trinity in the Godhead is taught by each.

Baptism by water is a tenant and ordinance of each.

"Living water" is a metaphor found in each.

Baptism by fire seems also to be recognized by each.

Fasting is emphatically enjoined by each.

Sacrifices are of secondary importance in each system, and are partially or wholly abandoned by each.

The higher law is paramount to ceremonies in each religion.

The bible of each religion literally condemns idolatry.

Both also make concessions to idolatry.

Polygamy is not literally encouraged nor openly condemned by either.

The power to forgive sins is conferred on the disciples of each.

The doctrine of blasphemy is recognized by each.

Pantheism, or the reciprocal 'in-being' of God in nature and nature in God, is taught by both.

BIBLES AND HOLY SCRIPTURES
Each has a bible which is the idolized fountain of all religious teaching.

Both have an Old Testament and a New Testament, virtually.

The New Testament inaugurates a new and reform system of religion in each case.

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" is the faith of the disciples of each.

Each system claimed to have its inspired men to write its scriptures.

Both hold a spiritual qualification necessary to understand their bibles.

It is a sin to become "wise beyond what is written" in their respective bibles.

Both recommend knowing the Scriptures in youth.

Alteration of their respective bibles is divinely interdicted.

The bible is an infallible rule of faith and practice in both cases.

"All scripture is profitable for doctrine" is the faith of each.

Both explain away the errors of their bibles.

SPIRITUALITY OF THE TWO RELIGIONS
The religion of Chrishna is pre-eminently spiritual no less than Christ's.

Both teach that "to be carnally minded is death."

External rites are practically dispensed within each religion.

The spiritual law written on the heart is recognized by each.

"God is within you," Buddhists teach as well as Christians.

Both recognize an invisible spiritual Savior.

"God dwells in the heart," say Hindoo as well as Christians.

Inward recognition of the divine law is amply seen in both.

Both confess allegiance to an inward monitor.

The doctrine of inspiration and internal illumination is found in both.

The indwelling Comforter is believed in by both.

Both also teach that religion is an inward work,

Both speak of being born again -- i.e., the second birth.

A spiritual body is also believed in by both.

"Spiritual things are incomprehensible to the natural man" say each.

God's spiritually sustaining power Buddhists also acknowledge.

Both give a spiritual interpretation to their bibles.

Each has a new and more interior law superseding the old law.

The spiritual cross -- self-denial or asceticism -- is a prominent feature of each religion.

The duty of renouncing and abandoning the external world is solemnly enjoined by each.

Buddhists renounce the world more practically than Christians.

Withdrawal or seclusion from society is recommended by each.

Bodily suffering as a benefit to the soul is encouraged by each.

Voluntary suffering for righteousness' sake is a virtue with each.

The cross is a religious emblem in each system.

Both glory in "the religion of the cross" as better than a religion without suffering.

Hence both teach "the greater the cross the greater the crown."

Earthly pleasures are regarded as evil by both.

Contempt for the body as an enemy to the soul is visible in both.

Retirement for religious contemplation is a duty with each.

The forsaking of relations is also enjoined by each.

Spiritual relationship is superior to external relationship with both.

"To die is great gain" we are taught by each.

A subjugation of the passions is a religious duty with each.

The road to heaven is a narrow one with each.

The same state of religious perfection is aspired to by the disciples of each.

THE DOCTRINE OF FAITH OR BELIEF
Faith is an all-important element and doctrine with each.

Heresy, or want of faith, is a sin of great magnitude with both.

Faith in the Savior is a condition to salvation by both.

Confessing the Savior is also required in both cases.

"Believe or be damned" is the condition or 'profess' to believe the terrible 'sine qua non' to salvation by each.

Skeptics or unbelievers are with both the chief of sinners.

"Faith can remove mountains," either with a Buddhist or a Christian.

Both contrast faith with works.

Faith without works is dead -- so teach both Buddhists and Christians.

THE DOCTRINE AND PRACTICE OF PRAYER
Prayer is an important rite in each religion.

Private or secret prayer is recommended by both.

Each has also a formula of prayer.

"Pray without ceasing" is a Buddhist as well as a Christian injunction.

Praying to their respective Saviors in sickness and in health is a custom with both.

The custom of praying for the dead is recognized in each system.

TREATMENT OF ENEMIES
It is a Hindoo as well as a Christian injunction to treat enemies kindly.

Passive submission to injuries and abuse is enjoined by both.

The holy Scriptures of both require us to pray for enemies, and feed them.

And even love to enemies is a part of the spirit of each religion.

THE MILLENNIUM
Hindoos, like Christians, prophesy of a great millennial era.

There is a remarkable similarity in their notions with respect to it.

Both anticipate a second advent or new Savior on the occasion.

The destruction of the world also is to take place in both cases.

And an entire renovation and a new order of things are to be established in each case.

MIRACLES
There is almost a constant display of miraculous power in each system.

The disciples of both are professedly endowed with this power.

Miraculous cures of the lame, the blind, and the sick are reported in both cases.

Miracles of handling poisonous reptiles with impunity are reported by both.

Swallowing deadly poison is enjoined by Christians and practiced by Hindoos.

Many cases of the miraculous ejection of devils are reported by both.

The miracle of thought-reading is displayed by both.

The saints in both cases are reported as raising the dead.

PRECEPTS
"The kingdom of heaven" was to be sought first of all things in each case.

Love to God is a paramount obligation under each system.

And the worship of God is an essential requisition in each religious polity.

"Cease to do evil and learn to do well" is virtually enjoined by each.

All inward knowledge of God is taught as essential by both systems.

A reliance on works is discouraged by both.

Purity of heart is inculcated by Hindoos as well as Christians.

Speak and think evil of no man is a gospel injunction of each.

A love of all beings is more prominently the spirit of Buddhism than that of Christianity.

The practice of strict godly virtue is enjoined by both.

Moderation and temperance are recommended by both.

Patience is a virtue in each religion.

The duty of controlling our thoughts is taught by each.

Charity has a high appreciation by each.

Both make the poor objects of attention.

The practice of hospitality is recommended by each.

Humility is a duty and a virtue under both systems.

Mirthfulness or light conversation is forbidden by each.

Purity of life is a duty with Hindoos as well as Christians.

Chasteness in conversation is inculcated by both.

"Respect to persons" is a sin in the moral polity of both.

Alms-giving is religiously enjoined by the holy Scriptures of both.

Both teach that "it is better to give than to receive."

Loyalty to rulers is a moral requisition of each system.

Honor to father and mother is esteemed a great virtue by both.

The correct training of children is with each a scriptural duty.

"Look not upon a woman" is more than hinted by each.

The reading of the holy Scriptures is enjoined by both.

Lying or falsehood is with each a sin of great magnitude.

Swearing is discountenanced by both religions.

Theft or stealing is specially condemned by both.

Both deprecate and condemn the practice of war.

Both discountenance fighting.

Neither of them professes to believe in slavery.

Drunkenness and the use of wine are more specifically condemned by the Hindoo religion.

Adultery and fornication are heinous sins in the eyes of both.

Both condemn covetousness as a great sin.

Buddhists more practically condemn anger than Christians do.

MISCELLANEOUS ANALOGIES
Both have their apocryphal as well as their canonical Scriptures.

Stories are found in the bible of each which would be rejected if found elsewhere.

Both make their bible a finality in matters of faith.

Both have had their councils and commentaries to reveal their bibles over again.

Numerous schisms, divisions, sects, and creeds have sprung up in each.

Various religious reforms have sprung up under each.

Conversion from one religious sect to another is common to both.

Both religions have been troubled with numerous skeptics or infidels.

Both have often resorted to new interpretations for their bibles to suit the times.

The unconverted are stigmatized by each.

"Knock and it shall be opened" is the invitation of each.

Public confession of sins in class-meetings is known to each.

Death-bed repentance often witnessed under both religions systems.

A belief in haunted houses incident to the religious countries of both.

A superior respect for woman claimed by each.

An idolatrous veneration for religious ancestors by each.

Each sustain a numerous horde of expensive priests.

A divine call or illumination to preach claimed by each.

Religious martyrdom the glory of each.

Both have encountered "perils by sea and land" for their religion.

He who loseth his life (for his religion) shall find it, say both.

Both in ancient times suffered much persecution.

The disciples of both have suffered death without flinching from the faith.

Each sent numerous missionaries abroad to preach and convert.

And, finally, each cherished the hope of converting the world to their religion.
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Both were born on the 25th of December.

I also was born on the 25th Of December. I wonder if I am divine
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Christians like to think that thier entire Religion is completely Unique and derived from God and God alone.
I don't, I think all this duplicity actually makes Christianity more credible.

....then again, I'm Catholic, which is not a real Christian according to some.
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I don't, I think all this duplicity actually makes Christianity more credible.

....then again, I'm Catholic, which is not a real Christian according to some.

Do you know why Early Catholics "Christians" had a hard time spreading Christianity in India??

It was because the Hindus saw Jesus as another incarnation of Vishnu.
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I sometimes feel that Catholics are the most open-minded Christians-- I am after all married to one-- My Wife is Catholic.
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Do you know why Early Catholics "Christians" had a hard time spreading Christianity in India??

It was because the Hindus saw Jesus as another incarnation of Vishnu.

I guess that's only a problem if you get hung up on the details.
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Which many Christians do by saying that they are exclusively right and everyone else who disagrees is wrong and destined for Hell. Which is one of my strongest points that at its core Christianity is a bias and bigotted religion which preaches close-mindedness whilst disavowing all that helped shape it.

As I have said many times before-- I do not let my views of Christianity as a whole mar my perceptions and judgements of those individuals who worship it. Most see my exclamations of Christianity as a whole and take it personally when in fact I never meant it as such.

I am no fan of Christianity nor its well crafted mask of innocence.
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Catholics are for sure the most open minded christians out there (with the best eye for ritual and beauty too lol). I however will never say the paralels make christianity its self more credible since the above mentioned events would have transpired long before the birth of jesus and in some cases before the bible even claims earth to have existed. I wont use that to discredit christianity persay I simply state it doesent make it more credible.

I also might add another duplicated story but not one reffering to jesus. The great flood was also documented in many cultures some predateing the easrliest known hebrew texts. The Norse had a great flood epic in which only two humans survived (a man and a woman lol) by hideing in a temple. This one however was not set by the wrath of the major dieties but by the chaos giants in order to minimize potential warriors for the vannar when ragnarok comes. Also the mayans and or aztecs had a great flood that befell thier most ancient of ancestors whom survived only by following thier serpent god into the caves for safety wherein he fed off of a few of his followers to help sustain himself long enough to keep the rest safe from the terrors of the deep earth. I believe there are also stories of a great flood in ancient chinese teachings and hindu teachings as well.
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The American Indian Tribe The Navajos also have a Flood Story.
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The Bible is, in my opinion, nothing more than a History Book that was warped to grant extra power to certain people.
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Catholics are for sure the most open minded christians out there (with the best eye for ritual and beauty too lol). I however will never say the paralels make christianity its self more credible since the above mentioned events would have transpired long before the birth of jesus and in some cases before the bible even claims earth to have existed. I wont use that to discredit christianity persay I simply state it doesent make it more credible.

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here is an argument which puts forth the fact that due to this parallelism Christianity is wrong in calling itself whatever it may---


""Here, then, we pause to ask our good Christian reader, Where is your original Christianity? or what constitutes the revealed religion of Jesus Christ? or where is the evidence that any new religion was revealed by him or preached by him, seeing we have all his religion, as shown by the foregoing historical citations, included in an old heathen system more than a thousand years old when Jesus Christ was born? We find it all here in this old oriental system of Buddhism -- every essential part, Particle and principle of it. We find Christianity all here -- its Alpha and Omega, its beginning and end. We find it here in all its details, -- its root, essence, and entity, -- all its "revealed doctrines," religions ideas, beautiful truths, senseless dogmas and oriental phantoms. Not, a doctrine, principle, or precept of the Christian system, but that is here proclaimed to the world ages before "the angels announced the birth of a divine babe in Bethlehem." Will you, then, persist in claiming that "truth, life, and immortality came by Jesus Christ," and that "Christ came to preach a new gospel to the world, and to set forth a new religion never before heard amongst men" (to use the language of Archbishop Tillotson), when the historical facts cited in this work demonstrate a hundred times over that such a position is palpably erroneous? Will you still persist, with all those undeniable facts staring you in the face (proving and reproving, with overwhelming demonstration, that the statement is untrue), in declaring that "the religion of Jesus Christ is the only true and soul-saving religion, and all other systems are mere straw, stubble, tradition, and superstition" (as asserted by a popular Christian writer), when no mathematician ever demonstrated a scientific problem more clearly than we have proved in these pages that all the principle systems of the past, by no means excepting Christianity, are essentially alike in every important particular -- all of their cardinal doctrines being the same, differing only in unimportant details?""
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It has been theorized before that the "missing" years of Jesus were spent in India learning all he could of Hinduism. Considering the similarities one could easily see that as truth.
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Christians like to think that thier entire Religion is completely Unique and derived from God and God alone.
I pretty much stopped reading there.
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I pretty much stopped reading there.
Than why even reply--- go away.
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Because I feel compelled to point out the basic falsehood you're basing your whole spiel on.
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Which many Christians do by saying that they are exclusively right and everyone else who disagrees is wrong and destined for Hell. Which is one of my strongest points that at its core Christianity is a bias and bigotted religion which preaches close-mindedness whilst disavowing all that helped shape it.

As I have said many times before-- I do not let my views of Christianity as a whole mar my perceptions and judgements of those individuals who worship it. Most see my exclamations of Christianity as a whole and take it personally when in fact I never meant it as such.

I am no fan of Christianity nor its well crafted mask of innocence.
It's ironic that Jesus warns of such behavior so often in the bible; 'Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrates!' He says it like 5 or 6 times. I pointed this out to Duke E. and was pretty much ignored.

whaddaya gonna do.
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It's ironic that Jesus warns of such behavior so often in the bible; 'Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrates!' He says it like 5 or 6 times. I pointed this out to Duke E. and was pretty much ignored.

whaddaya gonna do.
Probably because you are Catholic and he has admitted that he has a pretty low outlook on Catholics.

I mean Hell--- how can you argue with a Catholic School Girl and those wonderful outfits they wear. I thought more than once about becoming a Catholic Priest just for that reason alone. But I would not want to break the mold--- can you imagine a Catholic Priest brought low for fornication with his female students and leaving the boys alone
That is just a joke mind you

Jesus says a lot of things that are conveniently ignored.

Such as something along these lines--- it changes according to the translation--

""The only temple ye should worship should be your body." or something along those lines.... let me look up the exact text
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I pretty much stopped reading there.
Guy I think in a situation like this you need to 'turn the other cheek.' Yeah the statement is technically inacurate, but you should think before you slap back:

The 'turn the other cheek' story had more to it than most people think. It was also about social status; getting slapped on the left cheek was more insulting, so if you got that side, you showed them the other. You show that you are pacifist, but you also show that you are not on that level....something like that, anyway, you probably already knew that.

In this case you should show that you are above whatever insult might come with that statement. Look at my debates with dgg9. I usually turn cheek on his subtle insults (not always) and I still chew him up on a regular basis.

You could lend alot more credibility to yourself and your religion this way, I think.
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