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Cheney Agrees With Dgg

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_o_neill_book
Cheney Takes Issue With O'Neill's Book

DAVOS, Switzerland - Dick Cheney (news - web sites) said Saturday that "deficits do matter," taking issue with the claim by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill that the vice president said shortfalls were not critical to U.S. economic stability.



"I believe deficits do matter," Cheney said during a question-and-answer session that followed his speech at the World Economic Forum (news - web sites).


"They matter in the long run. You do have to worry about them."


Cheney said O'Neill did not support the tax cuts that he and President Bush (news - web sites) favored.


Cheney said the Bush administration believes the deficit, recently forecast to reach $500 billion this year, is manageable. While the deficit is large, it is not that large from a historic standpoint as a percentage of the gross domestic product, he said.


He said the administration's long-term goal is to return to a balanced budget, though not immediately if that would mean jeopardizing funds for current military operations, for example.


"We think we've got it calibrated right and I wouldn't believe everything I believe in Paul O'Neill's book," Cheney joked.


In the book, "The Price of Loyalty" by journalist Ron Suskind, O'Neill reveals what he says are the inner workings of the Bush White House.


O'Neill, who was fired by Bush, depicts an administration where Cheney and the political team won most arguments. O'Neill cited issues such as imposing steel tariffs to protect the domestic industry, rejecting a global warming treaty and deciding to go for a third round of tax cuts despite the growing federal deficit.


Cheney said Bush took his advice to name O'Neill as treasury chief.


"I guess the way you could look at that whole exercise is that I'm not the best personnel officer in the world," he joked
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Cut spending, yes...cut taxes without cutting spending..uh..no. But since you said them in the same line I do believe you mean cut them at the same time?
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Yes..I'm certain Democrats are the ones informing Bush that he must continue spending tons of dollars.
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Bush wants to spend 400 million dollars on the military alone, for 2005, and that's not even for the entire military itself but rather just helping to keep our military in Iraq.
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400 million(or billion, I do believe I pasted the article on the boards in one of the more recent threads, so that can tell us if it was million or billion..though I doubt it was billion) is a lot, especially when you look at how little money has gone into the education system.

Also, why would we want to buy another B-2 bomber? We already have an army that is so overpowered and well armed that we could remove 90% of the current soldiers in the army and still be able to easily wipe out any country currently on the planet.
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400 million(or billion, I do believe I pasted the article on the boards in one of the more recent threads, so that can tell us if it was million or billion..though I doubt it was billion) is a lot, especially when you look at how little money has gone into the education system.

Also, why would we want to buy another B-2 bomber? We already have an army that is so overpowered and well armed that we could remove 90% of the current soldiers in the army and still be able to easily wipe out any country currently on the planet.
Why spend $400 Million odd on Military and not education...

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Before Bush increased spending on education he had CUT SPENDING ON EDUCATION
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Wrong.

Let's see your proof.
Let's see yours.
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Now that IS embarrassing.
It dealt primarily with Bush's plans pertaining to how the blah blah ..uh..what's it called? Proposed planning pertaining to government spending? Well, it dealt with how it indirectly would cause cuts in education and a decrease in jobs.

Of course this is democrat based(which is why I said it's embarrassing), and after looking through some more articles I'm pondering on some stuff.

While I admit that there aren't enough jobs, it appears Bush has at least tried to help education at one point.
This article here is old(it's from 2001 and for 2002). However it supports that Bush has helped education. However, my question is why are all of these schools not acquiring enough money to remain open or pay the teachers if he's spending so much on education?

Bush budget boosts education, defense but cuts EPA
April 9, 2001
Web posted at: 1:14 p.m. EDT (1714 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/....02/index.html

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In this story:

Clinton initiatives hit

Cheney: Excessive bills will be vetoed


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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush sent his proposed budget for 2002 to Congress Monday, earmarking big increases in spending for education and defense but suggesting cuts in transportation, agriculture and environmental protection.

The four-inch-thick document sets the stage for a Washington battle royal over the president's proposed tax cuts and spending plans.

"This is a budget that protects taxpayers, protects children, protects our surplus, and represents compassionate conservatism," Bush told reporters as he convened a Cabinet meeting Monday morning.

The $1.96 trillion budget includes Bush's signature proposal, a $1.6 trillion cut in income taxes, and tries to hold federal spending to 4 percent growth. Education and medical research are among the president's priorities, and the document predicts a $231 billion surplus will remain.

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President Bush's federal budget for fiscal year 2002(PDF format)
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"This budget funds our needs without the fat," Bush said. "It represents a new way of doing business in Washington and a new way of thinking. It puts the taxpayers first, and that is exactly where they belong."

By comparison, spending in this year's budget represented an 8.7 percent increase over 2000.

The Department of Education would get the biggest percentage boost of any agency -- 11.5 percent -- if Bush's budget makes it through Congress. The proposed $44.6 billion education budget would triple the money available for literacy programs and boost federal spending on elementary and secondary schools.

The Pentagon would receive the largest increase in raw dollars, with an additional $13.6 billion slated for a total defense budget of $310 billion. $1.4 billion of that would go toward pay increases and other measures to improve the quality of life for service members.

Bush also followed through on a campaign pledge by proposing a big increase for the National Institutes of Health, which will receive an additional $2.8 billion under Bush's plan.

Among the losers in Bush's proposal are the Transportation Department and the Environmental Protection Agency. The latter would lose $500 million under his budget -- a decrease of about 6.5 percent.

The Department of Agriculture would see a $1.5 billion cut, about 8 percent less than this year's level.

Although cuts in the Transportation Department are much larger in terms of dollars -- the agency would lose $2.1 billion under the Bush plan -- they make up a smaller percentage of the department's budget. Transportation officials say much of money in the current budget is for special projects and does not need to be included in the 2002 budget.

Democrats have argued that some vital programs are likely to suffer under the new Bush budget, in part to pay for Bush's tax cut plans. Some of the cuts in the Bush budget are made to rural health, disease prevention and mental health programs.

"When people see the budget, they're going to say, 'Oh, my God, I wanted a tax cut, but I didn't know what you were going to do to health care and to Medicare and national defense,'" Sen. John Breaux, D-Louisiana, told ABC on Sunday.

Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill discounted those concerns Monday.

"We're trying to do the people's business, and what we have proposed in this budget is what the president and the rest of us believe is appropriate for the people," O'Neill said Monday.

"We don't look at this as satisfying a particular lobby or interest group, or even a political party. This is about trying to do the right thing for the people of the United States."

Bush spoke Monday only of programs he would boost, including an increase in funding for college Pell grants, $21 billion more for food safety programs and $67 million for a mentoring program for children whose parents are in prison.

He said he would increase funding for child abuse prevention programs by 67 percent and spend $87 million more for additional "front-line" prosecutors.

And, he said, he would spend more for a program that buys child safety locks for handguns.

Bush added, without elaboration, that his budget proposal also would combat excessive "corporate subsidies."

Clinton initiatives hit
Bush's budget proposes cuts in several Clinton administration initiatives, notably the Community Oriented Police Services program -- an effort to put 100,000 new police officers on the streets -- which would be cut by 17 percent to $855 million, a Justice Department official said on condition of anonymity. Some of that money would be redirected to putting officers in schools, the official said.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the COPS program was supposed to last only three years. "The three-year commitment has been kept," he said.

"Programs never go away in Washington, which is one of the reasons government is so big," Fleischer said.

Other Clinton initiatives Bush would cut include efforts to combat nuclear proliferation, coordinate health care for the uninsured, promote energy conservation and boost economic development in poor communities, according to the Associated Press.

The appearance of the Bush budget proposal -- a bound document larger than a major metropolitan area's combined yellow and white pages -- is timed a bit oddly this year.

In most years, the president sends his budget proposal to Congress by mid- to late February, thereby launching the lengthy budgeting and appropriations process in the House and Senate.

But Bush has been in office less than 100 days, and his White House Office of Management and Budget has needed extra time to get up to speed on the intricacies and complexities of the full federal budgeting process.

Bush sent a "blueprint" budget to Congress in February, following his first joint address to both chambers of Congress. That document was only 207 pages in length and included little in the way of detail about where the administration planned to make its cuts.

As thin on detail as that blueprint was, the Republican-dominated House and Senate moved forward nonetheless through March and into this month to get the long march toward the creation of a final fiscal 2002 budget under way.

The House and Senate have already passed competing versions of their fiscal 2002 budget resolutions -- versions that will have to be reconciled in a House-Senate conference later this month, when members return from their two-week Easter recess.

The congressional budget resolution sets the stage for the 13 appropriations subcommittees in each chamber to determine the yearly funding levels for every federal department, agency and program. Those subcommittees produce individual spending bills that must wend their way through Congress before they are signed into law by the president, a process that should end -- theoretically -- by October 1, the beginning of the next fiscal year.

Cheney: Excessive bills will be vetoed
Among the challenges for the House and Senate members appointed to the budget resolution conference will be to close the gap between the Senate's $1.2 trillion tax cut it approved last week and the $1.6 trillion cut desired by the House.

O'Neill said negotiations between House and Senate members could restore much of that.

"I would expect the final number to be close to, if not at, the president's proposed level," he said.

The House voted in March to approve a budget resolution that closely mirrors the president's priorities, including his long-held tax relief plans.

The budget submitted to Congress today by the administration is valued at some $1.96 trillion in yearly spending.

Vice President Dick Cheney, speaking Sunday, braced the administration for Democratic criticism, which will gain steam in two weeks when members of the congressional minority return to Washington following their recess.

The budget, Cheney said, redirects federal money to federal programs that exhibit palpable payoffs.

He warned that Bush would veto any appropriations bills he considers excessive.
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Competition? Please explain.
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The government has a monopoly to try and regulate what it is taught and so on and so forth, as well as to offer up completely free teaching to people.
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Example of why it should be regulated: Some people in the south are taught the south won the civil war.
All in all, though, the government doesn't show everything that completely happened(which is sad), but it's better than having to fork over 1,000 dollars a month so your kid can go to a private school where they don't even match up with public schools(in some cases).
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If the government didn't have public schools then everyone would have to go to private schools. Private schools cost much more for the people who go to them than a public school does.

There is no profit in having a school public, and thus no companies would want to create public schools for the masses.
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Uh..private schools cost as much as they do because they usually pay teachers a greater amount of money than what public schools do, as well as the purchasing of certain items that are normally way out of the range of a public school.
Also some public schools actually pay other schools money to take students each year so that they may attend classes at the other school. So public schools are mostly just sucking up money and churning out none.

In comparison to private schools which actually make money.
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There is no profit in having a school public, and thus no companies would want to create public schools for the masses.
I hope you're aware how silly that sounds. You don't think colleges make a profit?
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Uh..private schools cost as much as they do because they usually pay teachers a greater amount of money than what public schools do,
Completely untrue, on average. I recommend you look into it a bit.

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as well as the purchasing of certain items that are normally way out of the range of a public school.
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In comparison to private schools which actually make money.
Private schools make money because in a free market one can always sell a commodity to make a profit. Public schools are an inefficient economic sinkhole, horribly unresponsive to their consumers and manifestly failing in their task. Translation: a typical governmental bureaucracy.
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A college is closer to a private school than a public school, with the charge for admission as well as the fact that you need to purchase your own books and so on and so forth.
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A college is closer to a private school than a public school, with the charge for admission as well as the fact that you need to purchase your own books and so on and so forth.
Just so. Colleges are profitable, hence private schools are a viable industry.

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Speaking of cutting spending, I have yet to see any member of Congress, Democrat or Republican, call for a vote to stop the automatic pay increase they get added onto their already significant salary for the office...
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They don't make that much money. Most could make far more in the private sector.
I don't know how much money you make annually, but given my current income, I'd hardly consider $154,700 dollars (for Senators and Representatives) a year to be "not that much." Add to that another possible $23,205 a year (15% of their annual salary) for speaking, legal practice, consulting, and other outside sources of income. The exception being book royalties, which are not limited in income by their rules of office.

Then you have the majority and minority leaders of the Senate and House, who make $171,900 a year, and the Speaker of the House, who pulls in $198,600 a year.

Add to that an annual cost of living raise, which is automatic unless voted down.

I realize they could make far more in the private sector. However, many of these men and women already have other sources of income. Hell, one of them bears the name Kennedy...you know he's not hurting for cash. In fact, I'd like to see anyone argue that it would be difficult to live comfortably on a six figure salary.
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