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Old 01-22-04   #1
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Bush Aims to Expand USA Patriot Act
By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Defeated in his bid to expand the USA Patriot Act, the law both praised as a weapon for fighting terror and criticized as intrusive in Americans' lives, President Bush (news - web sites) is raising his voice to persuade Congress to at least renew the measure.



He may not get all of what he wants, either.


Several conservative Republicans have joined liberal Democrats in threatening to allow portions of the law to die at the end of next year, saying they are too intrusive into Americans' lives.


But the war on terrorism needs such a tool, Bush told law enforcement officials and military cadets in Roswell, N.M., on Thursday.


"See, it's a different kind of war," Bush insisted. "We're in a different era. We need to view law differently. We'll always protect our Constitution and safeguard individual rights. But our law enforcement, those who collect information and share information and (are) expected to act on information, must be able to talk together."


While Congress rejected Bush's call last year to expand the Patriot Act, it also did nothing to roll back any of its provisions despite a flood of protests around the nation.


This year, Republican Sens. Larry Craig of Idaho, Mike Crapo of Idaho, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, and John Sununu of New Hampshire are among those joining with Democrats on legislation to put controls on some of its police powers.


Craig, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), has gone so far as to say Congress will let portions of the Patriot Act expire if changes aren't crafted to impose more judicial oversight of how police and prosecutors conduct investigations.


The stalemate has continued, though election-year politics, terror alerts and the prospect of another Sept. 11 could change that. However, Bush isn't waiting until after the election to try to persuade Congress to renew the law as "an important part of fighting the war on terror."


Passed overwhelmingly by Congress after the Sept. 11 attacks on New York, Washington, D.C., and Pennsylvania, the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT) Act greatly expanded the government's surveillance and detention powers.


Concerned about possible abuses, lawmakers set a Jan. 1, 2006 expiration date on many of the wiretapping and surveillance measures, including a provision that gives federal officials access to records of what people check out from libraries or buy from bookstores.


Last June, Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) asked Congress to amend the law to give the Justice Department (news - web sites) expanded powers to hold suspected terrorists indefinitely before trials and to allow the government to seek the death penalty or life imprisonment for any terrorist act. He also sought new law to let prosecutors bring charges against anyone who supports or works with suspected terrorist groups.


The following month, Congress moved in just the opposite direction, with the House voting to prohibit the use of federal funds for "sneak and peek" searches that the law says can be conducted without a property owner's or resident's knowledge and with warrants delivered afterward.


Republican leaders, however, refused to include the language in the massive omnibus spending bill for the Justice Department and most other nonmilitary government agencies that the Senate passed Thursday and sent to Bush.


The only expansion of Patriot Act-like powers to get through Congress was a measure making it easier for FBI (news - web sites) terrorism investigators to demand financial records from casinos, car dealerships and other businesses.


Supporters said the measure, included in an intelligence bill, will further help authorities identify money laundering and other activities that fund terrorism. Opponents said it doesn't provide enough safeguards to ensure that authorities won't violate the privacy of innocent people.


GOP Rep. Butch Otter of Idaho, a leading critic of the Patriot Act, called the financial records measure an aberration. Many lawmakers and businesses didn't pay much attention to the provision, Otter said, and colleagues told him they would have tried to strip it out of the intelligence bill if they had known about it.





"We've really come a long way in two years, and we've really brought an awareness to the Patriot Act and its overreaches that we gave to law enforcement," Otter said. "We've also quieted any idea of Patriot II, even though they snuck some of Patriot II in on the intelligence bill."
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Old 01-23-04   #2
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These conspiracy theories belong to the national enquirer with the stories about sightings of Elvis and UFO's.
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I just have one point, with the patriot act you could be held prisoner without being charged. before it was illegal, if they have one little inkling that you mave not like what goes on in this country, who can now be held captive indefinatly without any reason.

Personly, I have to say yes I am a bit paranoid, but this makes me angry.
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Part of Patriot Act Ruled Unconstitutional
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A federal judge has declared unconstitutional a portion of the USA Patriot Act that bars giving expert advice or assistance to groups designated foreign terrorist organizations.

The ruling marks the first court decision to declare a part of the post-Sept. 11 anti-terrorism statute unconstitutional, said David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor who argued the case on behalf of the Humanitarian Law Project.

In a ruling handed down late Friday and made available Monday, U.S. District Judge Audrey Collins said the ban on providing "expert advice or assistance" is impermissibly vague, in violation of the First and Fifth Amendments.

John Tyler, the Justice Department attorney who argued the case, had no comment and referred calls to the department press office in Washington. A message left there was not immediately returned.

The case before the court involved five groups and two U.S. citizens seeking to provide support for lawful, nonviolent activities on behalf of Kurdish refugees in Turkey.

The Humanitarian Law Project, which brought the lawsuit, said the plaintiffs were threatened with 15 years in prison if they advised groups on seeking a peaceful resolution of the Kurds' campaign for self-determination in Turkey.

The judge's ruling said the law, as written, does not differentiate between impermissible advice on violence and encouraging the use of peaceful, nonviolent means to achieve goals.

"The USA Patriot Act places no limitation on the type of expert advice and assistance which is prohibited and instead bans the provision of all expert advice and assistance regardless of its nature," the judge said.

Cole declared the ruling "a victory for everyone who believes the war on terrorism ought to be fought consistent with constitutional principles."
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"

--Benjamin Franklin

or for a wider view of the current situation...

"Why, of course the people don't want war ... But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

--Hermann Goering,
Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II
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I just love the way it's called the 'Patriot' Act, for no discernable reason except that they think it sounds nice. Bizarre.
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So they can brainlessly accuse people who don't support it of not being patriots (then refer to Goering quote above).
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*yawn* not that old argument again
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Quote:
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FYI, for those who aren't Americans.

The Patriot Act passed the Senate 98-1, with Kerry, Lieberman, Kennedy, and Edwards all voting for it.

The Patriot Act takes no rights away from anyone, and everthing in it is subject to judicial review.

You need to worry more about Britain, which has taken away Health Care choice, and the right of self defense, both of which are magnitudes of ten worse than the Patriot Act.
I think Sixgun best described my response to this...
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otherwise, lazaruscorporat described it, for what it actually is;
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I think Sixgun best described my response to this...
I think that these quotes are better:

"Many so-called normal people are in fact very paranoid; they're just paranoid about the wrong things."
"The same guy who can't believe the army could ever do anything evil and anti-American may be convinced that the Devil sends heavy metal bands out to corrupt our youth. He's paranoid about 'Marijuana fiends' but drives drunk. He's paranoid about sex and violence on TV but thinks everyone should have their own automatic weapon. He's learned that the media are controlled by liberals, because he listens to right-wing blather all day long on the radio.
-Rev. Ivan Stang; from The big Book of Conspiracies


It's not point for point but it describes the same exact mentality.
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The Patriot Act allowed for things normally considered infringments on civil rights. They also had plans to put in a second part to the Patriot Act, which would've gone much further into a far more infringment of said civil rights. In fact, the second part to the Patriot Act was considered one of the worst things ever thought up.

And the original Patriot Act passed as it did not because it was good, but due to the shock factor of 9/11. Carefully timed it was proposed when people were still struggling to get over the "horror" of terrorism having strucken America(even though terrorism has occured many times before).
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Section 802 of the Act amends the criminal code, 18 U.S.C. § 2331, to
add a new definition of “domestic terrorism” to include activities that:
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the
criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
( appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by mass destruction,
assassination, or kidnapping; or
(iii) to effect the conduct of a government by mass destruction,
assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United
States.

Any action you might make will be a potential terrorist action due to the Patriot Act.

If you don't understand why that is..let me explain:
(A) deals with any action which is dangerous to human life(or in violation of the criminal laws of the US or any of it's States) makes you a domestic terrorist. Now this can include such things as driving while drunk, smoking in public(second hand smoke IS dangerous) or even anything as simple as taking some money from someone's car(violation of criminal laws).

( helps us enforce even more restrictions..what with the "to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;". That statement helps stop anyone who might attempt to even coerce a "civilian population"(1 to infinite civilians under the Geneva Convention is a civilian population) makes them a domestic terrorist. Yes..so if you try and coerce someone into doing something as simplistic as buying skim milk you are a domestic terrorist!


So there's one reason why the Patriot Act is complete and utter stupidity..
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As of December 5, 2001, the State
Department, at the Attorney General’s request, had designated
thirty-nine groups as “terrorist organizations.” Under section 411,
any alien who is deemed to have made statements in support of, or
contributed funds to, such organizations, or associated with alleged
members thereof, is subject to deportation. As in the case of
prosecutions for “sedition,” the United States has frequently
deported aliens upon suspicion that they support unpopular political
positions. The additional authority granted by the Patriot Act raises
the very real specter of “blacklisting” as an accepted immigration
policy, reminiscent of McCarthyism in the 1950s. This activity could
have a devastating effect on the First Amendment rights of Muslims
in the United States to practice their religion and support the Muslim
faith.


Section 215 of the Act permits seizures from businesses,
under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA”), of
records and other tangible items, including computer systems, upon
the Attorney General’s certification that the seizure is in furtherance
of “an investigation to protect against international terrorism or
clandestine intelligence activities.” The Patriot Act further
prohibits persons from disclosing that they have any knowledge of
such seizures. In other words, the owners and officers of the
business are gagged from disclosing that they have been the subject
of an FBI search and seizure, presumably including disclosures to the
media. Moreover, the court issuing the subpoena is prohibited from
disclosing the purpose of the order.
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and you realise the discussions here can be considered violations of the patriot act...

As the internet discussions can now hold a person accountable for "suggested violence" against this nation....
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This is my favorite one:

In spite of the Supreme Court’s cautions and the statutory mandate
for the “knock and announce” protocol, section 213 of the Patriot Act
permits federal law enforcement officials to delay giving notice of the
execution of a search warrant to the subject of the warrant, even until
after it has been executed, if notification may have an adverse
result.

Pretty much they can search your house and such without warning, not to mention under that same little bit of crap it deals with how they can seize your crap if "it is necessary" and inform you of how they seized it weeks/months later....and I haven't even covered everything that is considered wrong with the Patriot Act
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...iot_act_veto_4
Ashcroft: Bush to Veto Pared Patriot Act
By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration intensified its defense of the anti-terrorism Patriot Act on Thursday, threatening to veto legislation in Congress that would scale back key provisions.


Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites), in a letter to Senate leaders, said the changes proposed in the Security and Freedom Ensured Act, known as SAFE, would "undermine our ongoing campaign to detect and prevent catastrophic attacks."


Ashcroft told reporters that President Bush (news - web sites) would veto the bill if it reached his desk.


The threat came a week after Bush, in his State of the Union address, urged Congress to reauthorize the Patriot Act before it expires in 2005. A few months earlier, Ashcroft embarked on a 32-city speaking tour in a bid to answer critics who contend the law threatens civil liberties and privacy rights.


Ashcroft said the political offensive "reflects the stakes America has in the war on terror. When American lives are at stake, we need to have all the capacities to disrupt and to defeat terrorism that we've been successfully using over the last 28 months."


The Patriot Act, passed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, expanded the government's wiretap and other surveillance authority, removed barriers between FBI (news - web sites) and CIA (news - web sites) information-sharing, and provided more tools for terror finance investigations.


Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) and a staunch critic of the new law, said the veto threat shows that the Bush administration is on the defensive. The ACLU has filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging a key portion of the law, and 241 state and local governments also have gone on record opposing it.


"The attorney general's attack on the SAFE Act shows how out of step the Bush administration is with growing national concern over the Patriot Act," Romero said.


Earlier this month in Los Angeles, a federal judge issued the first court ruling striking down a portion of the law. U.S. District Judge Audrey Collins ruled that provisions barring "expert advice or assistance" to groups designated foreign terrorist organizations was too vague, threatening First and Fifth Amendment rights.


The SAFE Act, which has not yet had a hearing in either the House or Senate, was introduced last fall by Sens. Larry Craig, R-Idaho; Dick Durbin, D-Ill.; and other lawmakers of both parties who say the Patriot Act has gone too far.


"Attorney General Ashcroft's response today is an unfortunate overreaction to a reasoned and measured effort to mend the Patriot Act," Durbin said Thursday. "I believe it is possible to combat terrorism and preserve our individual freedoms at the same time.


"This legislation restores the necessary checks and balances to the system."


The bill would modify so-called "sneak and peek" search warrants that allow for indefinitely delayed notification when a person's property is searched, mandating such notice within a week's time.


In addition, warrants for roving wiretaps used to monitor a suspect's multiple cell phones would have to make sure the target was positively identified and was present at the site being monitored before information could be collected.


The legislation also would reinstate standards in place prior to passage of the Patriot Act regarding library and other business records by forcing the FBI to show it had reason to believe the person involved was a suspected terrorist or spy. The measure would impose expiration dates on nationwide search warrants and other Patriot Act terms, providing for congressional review
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New York City Wants Easing of Patriot Act
Jim Lobe, OneWorld US

WASHINGTON, D.C., Feb 5 (OneWorld) -- New York, the city most affected by the 9/11 attacks almost two and a half years ago, has become the latest U.S. municipality to formally urge major reforms to the USA PATRIOT Act to eliminate threats to basic civil rights and due-process protections.


The New York City Council voted Wednesday to urge local agencies not to subject New Yorkers to secret detentions without access to counsel and the New York Police Department (NYPD), in particular, to protect the free-speech rights of individuals and refrain from enforcing federal immigration laws or engage in racial or ethnic profiling.


The measure, known as Resolution 60, was approved by voice vote and also calls upon the New York delegation in Congress to "actively work for the repeal of those sections of the USA PATRIOT Act (USAPA) and related federal actions that unduly infringe upon fundamental rights and liberties."


"The city of New York--perhaps more than any city in America--is keenly aware of why we are engaged in a war on terror," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, the local branch of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) (ACLU). "With its diverse population, it is fitting and proper that the nation's largest city has joined millions across the country in demanding that America can, and must, be both safe AND free," she added.


Passage of the resolution came two weeks after the Los Angeles City Council passed a similar resolution by a 9-2 margin. The Jan 21 vote was depicted as a direct rebuff to President Bush (news - web sites), who had called for extending and expanding the Patrioet Act during his State of the Union Address the night before.


In so doing, Los Angeles, the country's third largest city, and now New York have joined a growing list of 250 municipalities, counties and states encompassing nearly 50 million people across the country that have approved measures over the past two years that urge far-reaching reform of the USAPA to ensure basic rights and due process.


Other jurisdictions that have approved such resolutions include Philadelphia, Baltimore, Detroit, Seattle, San Francisco, and Chicago, the nation's second largest city, as well as small communities from Alaska to North Carolina and Maine. The state legislatures of Hawaii, Alaska, and Vermont have also approved similar measures.


The main focus of their objections includes the sweeping powers given to the Justice Department (news - web sites) to round up, detain, and summarily deport immigrants without filing charges or providing them with access to attorneys, or, in some cases, even to their family members; the use of racial and ethnic profiling by federal agencies in targeting suspects; and the granting of unprecedented powers to the FBI (news - web sites) to secretly obtain information with little or no judicial review about individuals, ranging from their financial records to their book-borrowing patterns from local libraries.


Late last year, the Bush administration indicated it will seek a further expansion of those powers in a new act, as well as an extension of the USAPA beyond its December, 2005, expiration date. At the same time, the administration managed to push through new powers for the FBI enabling it to search and seize business records without court approval from securities dealers, currency exchanges, travel agencies, post offices, casinos, pawnbrokers and any other business that, in the government's eyes, has a "high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax or regulatory matters." Under the 2001 USAPA, such powers were limited to business records held by banks, credit unions and similar financial institutions.


The ACLU, a leader in national and grassroots efforts to oppose the USAPA's more far-reaching provisions and related legislation, has been joined by a wide coalition of other groups from across the political spectrum. Indeed, some of the strongest opposition to USAPA has come from the political right, including Americans for Tax Reform and the Eagle Forum, among others.


The coalition's common denominator has been the fear that USAPA has upset the delicate balance between security and liberty and now threatens individuals' privacy and constitutional freedoms.


More than 90 organizations had endorsed the New York resolution, including the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (news - web sites) (NAACP), the New York Public Library Guild, and the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. At the council's hearings held earlier, a number of family members of NYPD and NYFD officers who died on 9/11 testified in support of the resolution.


"The fact that the resolution passed in New York City, site of the devastating 9/11 attacks, sends a resounding message that New Yorkers are now willing to trade their freedom for policies that do not make them any more safe," said Laura Murphy, head of the ACLU's Legislative office here. "The City of New York paid a higher cost than most cities, but New Yorkers are standing up and refusing to sacrifice their fundamental freedoms."


Among the 34 co-sponsors of the resolution was Council Member Alan Gerson, whose district includes the site of the World Trade Center.


The impact of the City Council's vote on security is likely to be put to a major test when the Republican National Convention meets in New York Aug. 30 to Sep 2. Large-scale protests are expected.


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A Brief Analysis of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003
Also Known as Patriot Act II
by Alex Jones
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Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was allowed to read the first Patriot Act that was passed by the House on October 27, 2001. The first Patriot Act was universally decried by civil libertarians and Constitutional scholars from across the political spectrum. William Safire, while writing for the New York Times, described the first Patriot Act's powers by saying that President Bush was "seizing dictatorial control." On February 7, 2003 the Center for Public Integrity, a non-partisan public interest think-tank in DC, revealed the full text of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003. The classified document had been leaked to them by an unnamed source inside the Federal government. The document consisted of a 33-page section by section analysis of the accompanying 87-page bill.


The bill itself is stamped "Confidential - Not for Distribution." Upon reading the analysis and bill, I was stunned by the scientifically crafted tyranny contained in the legislation. The Justice Department Office of Legislative Affairs admits that they had indeed covertly transmitted a copy of the legislation to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, (R-Il) and the Vice President of the United States, Dick Cheney as well as the executive heads of federal law enforcement agencies.


It is important to note that no member of Congress was allowed to see the first Patriot Act before its passage, and that no debate was tolerate by the House and Senate leadership. The intentions of the White House and Speaker Hastert concerning Patriot Act II appear to be a carbon copy replay of the events that led to the unprecedented passage of the first Patriot Act.


There are two glaring areas that need to be looked at concerning this new legislation:


1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, ensuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an impeachable offense.

2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.


I challenge all Americans to study the new Patriot Act and to compare it to the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights and grants the government and its private agents total immunity. Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.


Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.


SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.


SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: "This is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of "surveillance without a court order."

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime."

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to break down any and all walls of privacy. The government states that they must look at everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistle blower protection for Federal agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures - has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities. There are many other sections that I did not cover in the interest of time. The American people were shocked by the despotic nature of the first Patriot Act. The second Patriot Act dwarfs all police state legislation in modern world history.


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John, Patriot Act 2 is not law, nor will it ever be law.

Stick to the first Act.

Bush wants it to be law, so I am informing people of how much of an idiotic move that would be to allow it to come to be.

Or would you rather people live their lives without knowing about how close we came to one of the worst political mistakes ever?
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For the first time in modern history, federal authorities may now
refuse to respect the age-old, virtually absolute confidentiality
enjoyed by a prisoner consulting with his or her attorney. On
October 30, 2001, the Justice Department unilaterally imposed a
requirement on federal correctional facilities that would allow the
correspondence and private conversations between prisoners and
their counsel to be subjected to monitoring in most situations. This
rule was put into effect immediately by Attorney General Ashcroft,
without the usual protections of notice and public comment afforded
by the federal Administrative Procedures Act. The rule was posted
in the Federal Register on October 31, 2001, the day after it went into
effect. Further, the rule is not limited to alleged terrorists; rather, it
extends to all incarcerated individuals. Under the rule,
communications or mail between prisoners and their attorneys may
be monitored if the Attorney General “has certified that reasonable
suspicion exists to believe that an inmate may use communications
with attorneys or their agents to further or facilitate acts of violence
or terrorism.”
Because the phrase “acts of violence” is so broad and discretion is
vested in the Attorney General to certify which prisoners are subject
to the rule, no protections exist to ensure that the monitoring will
not rapidly expand to include a large percentage of federal
prisoners. As the American Bar Association has noted, this
monitoring violates the attorney-client privilege and is a serious
infringement upon a suspect’s Sixth Amendment right to counsel.
Prior to the issuance of this regulation, a judicial order could permit
monitoring of attorney-client communications only upon a showing
that the government had probable cause to believe that criminal
activity was occurring.
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