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Old 09-03-03   #1
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What is goth........not?

Ok, so we have all seen so many threads about what is goth.

What is Goth Not?

Sometimes it’s easier to see more of what something is by seeing what it’s not .......... so here it is.

We're not all satanists.

We don't think we're vampires.

We're not dangerous or violent.

We're not obsessed with death and killing.

We don't all do drugs.

We're not all into S&M. (Not that there isn't some crossover, but the

two don't equate.)

Not all male goths are gay.

Not all female goths are straight.

We are not a gang.

We don’t all wear black clothing.

We don’t all wear white make-up.

Up to some personal research?

Anne Rice novels, especially the Vampire Chronicles: Interview with

the Vampire, The Vampire Lestat, Queen of the Damned, The Tale of the

Body Thief etc.

Poppy Z. Brite novels: Lost Souls etc.

Storm Constantine

H.P. Lovecraft, Ray Bradbury (sci-fi horror and fantasy)

Dostoyevsky - Notes from the Underground

Dante - The Inferno

Orwell - 1984

Stoker - Dracula

Mary Shelley - Frankenstein

Percy Bysshe Shelley, Lord Byron (Romantic-era poetry)

Everything by Edgar Allen Poe

"Sandman" comic books (especially the "Death: the High Cost of

Living" comics)

"The Crow" comics

"Johnny the Homicidal Maniac" and "Squee" both by Jhonen Vasquez

The Hunger - a vampire flick with David Bowie and Susan Sarandon. Its

opening scene shows a view of a dance club with a caged Peter Murphy

singing "Bela Lugosi's Dead."

Rocky Horror Picture Show - a cult classic musical with Tim Curry as

a flamboyant transvestite. A little too strange to be described. Most

small independent film theaters will have a Rocky Horror showing

night now and again where people come dressed as the characters.

There is a stage area where players mimic the movie as it plays. A

caller leads the standard interjected addition of lines, and the

audience participates in the scenes by throwing rice at the wedding

scene, squirting squirtguns during the scene where it's raining,

dancing during the "Time Warp" song etc. Quite a fun event.

Hellraiser (and all of the sequels) - Some horror flicks hit it big

with Goths, some don't care for them at all.

Dracula - from Bela Lugosi's version to the Francis Ford Coppola

version, it tends to be a big classic (as well as the book).

Heathers - an eighties movie with Winona Ryder, Christian Slater, and

Shannen Doherty that offers a black humor about high school and

killing.

The Crow - starring Brandon Lee (who was accidentally killed during

filming). A classic truly for its dark themes of murder, revenge,

love, urban decay. Dark aesthetics in the film with shots of a

graveyard and an elaborate church.

Edward Scissorhands - with Johnny Depp, a movie about a misfit with

an unusual hedge-trimming genius who seems a bit out of place in the

picture perfect suburbia.

The Nightmare Before Christmas - catchy tunes like "This Is

Halloween" and classic characters like Jack the Pumpkin King and

Sally make it a big hit with Goths.

Beetlejuice - with Geena Davis, Winona Ryder and Michael Keaton.

Winona Ryder's character is a Goth classic, the spooky girl Lydia.

Batman Returns - I think that the wintertime atmosphere and the sleek

sexy fetish inspired catwoman costume make this movie gothic. It had

a darker feel than all of the following sequels.

The Craft - 1996 film with Neve Campbell. This wasn't that good of a

movie, and it has more to do with witchcraft than gothic. However, it

is one of the few movies that has a goth female as a main character,

not that she is portrayed in a fully and realistically Goth way.

Gothic - not what you might first think, its true to the original

gothic literature movement. It is a movie about the night that Mary

Shelley first came up with the idea for Frankenstein. Full of ghost

stories, hallucinations, horror and madness.

The Lost Boys - with Corey Haim, Corey Feldman and Keifer Sutherland,

it's one of the classic 80's teenage renegade vampire flicks, with an

even better soundtrack.

A Clockwork Orange - A twisted film based on the novel concerning

society, violence, the government, mind control and conditioning.

[It might be an interesting tidbit to note that Tim Burton is the
director for several of the movies I've listed here. He seems to have the knack for the gothic aesthetic in a film. ]
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we're not all manic depressive?
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Dude all that research stuff you suggested confirmed most peoples views of you lot!
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Quote:
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we're not all manic depressive?
yes! both of those ....... there are many more i am sure ......... feel free to add to the list
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I'm an example- vegetarian but not-hating meat-eaters, strawberry blonde hair, kinda plump, no white make-up, I hate the taste of blood. Yeah I have a morbid fascination with death but y'no, some are there
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Err... I'm a stereotype... In parts... I'm bailing out of this thread now...
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I'm an example- vegetarian but not-hating meat-eaters, strawberry blonde hair, kinda plump, no white make-up, I hate the taste of blood. Yeah I have a morbid fascination with death but y'no, some are there
You mean..... your not the exact equivalent of Emily the Strange ??

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"Not all Goth girls are vegetarians and hate those who are not"

erm.... :: looks embaraced for a minute:: anyway....
no I don't hate meat eaters, i just think meats not good for you.

I could say that not all the guy's are androginious (sp?) but um... I dislike being a hypocryte (sp?)
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I could say that i dont think i'm elitist...but i am....sorry!!
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Goths are not hippies.

From the old school of Goth:

We don't care about your whale.
We don't care about your dog.
We like to eat meat.
We want more money.
Clothes are important.
Money is important.
You can take your happy free attitude and shove it.
We won't have sex to make you like us.
If you don't like us, we don't like you.
The world would be happier if you got off your high horse.
Stop telling me what to do.
If you want to make a change, do it, leave me alone.

There is more. Unfortunately, it seems more common to prostitute your friends to meet people and get along.

The hippies have to be Stopped!!!
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Yeah, One, that "research"... I don't know about that...
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I'm an example- vegetarian but not-hating meat-eaters, strawberry blonde hair, kinda plump, no white make-up, I hate the taste of blood. Yeah I have a morbid fascination with death but y'no, some are there
Is that you in your Avatar picture Demile?
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Yeah, One, that "research"... I don't know about that...
your referring to the movies part?
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