Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions
Home Register FAQ
Go Back   Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions > Discussions > Topic Discussions
Reload this Page Capitalisim has to go.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-10-03   #1
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
Capitalisim has to go.

Reason #1. Logistics.

An ever increasing demand can not co-exist with a finite supply. The surface of the earth is only so big. It can't support an exponentally increasing population indefinately.

There are other reasons as well, but I think this reason alone is enough to make the argument.

Opinions?
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-03   #2
Billy the Kidd
Self Serving Hypocrite
Admin
 
Billy the Kidd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Progressive HELL!!!
Posts: 19,435
Billy the Kidd will become famous soon enough
Credits: 418,223
we need parts of capitolism, but it has got ot have very set limits, and salary caps.
__________________
Tolerance is a virtue of a dying civilzation. Aristotle
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-03   #3
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
Salary caps seem like a good idea.

I think that the welfare of the planet should override the individuals freedom to have as much stuff as he/she wants.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-03   #4
Billy the Kidd
Self Serving Hypocrite
Admin
 
Billy the Kidd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Progressive HELL!!!
Posts: 19,435
Billy the Kidd will become famous soon enough
Credits: 418,223
agreed...someone with more than 50 million dollars is more of a drain on society than a plus.
__________________
Tolerance is a virtue of a dying civilzation. Aristotle
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-03   #5
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
yeah. I think it's ok to say to someone 'No, you can only have one yacht, and it has to be under 40 feet. That's all the wood you're allowed.'
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-03   #6
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
Quote:
Originally posted by Billy the Kidd
we need parts of capitolism, but it has got ot have very set limits, and salary caps.
What parts would we need?
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #7
Sixgun_Symphony
Darkness Incarnate
 
Sixgun_Symphony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 4,761
Sixgun_Symphony is an unknown quantity at this point
Credits: 280,566
Hey Commies,

What makes you think that your brutal, oppressive, murderous and ultimately failed marxist system is going to save the environment?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #8
Dark Messiah
Half-Wit Intellectual
Admin
 
Dark Messiah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Beautiful Sona-nyl
Posts: 14,817
Dark Messiah will become famous soon enough
Credits: 2,073
When a better alternative to capitalism emerges, I'll consider it.


I'm opposed to the salary caps because a) they would always be arbitrary, and b) The money would just go back to the government unrightfully, not the people who should actually have it, anyway.

If someone does something to generate money, the government shouldn't be given the right to just come in and snatch it up because they say it's "bad for the planet".

I think more centralization would solve most of our population and enviromental problems, as well as a reduction in the amount of meat eaten in the First World. Of course, it has to be recognized that the worst harm towards the enviroment is actually coming from Third World countries, ala the destruction of vast amounts of forests, rivers, lakes, natural wildlife, etc..
__________________
Like any spelling mistake, mutations cannot give rise to information, but rather damage that which already exists.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #9
Billy the Kidd
Self Serving Hypocrite
Admin
 
Billy the Kidd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Progressive HELL!!!
Posts: 19,435
Billy the Kidd will become famous soon enough
Credits: 418,223
Quote:
Originally posted by Dark Messiah
When a better alternative to capitalism emerges, I'll consider it.


I'm opposed to the salary caps because a) they would always be arbitrary, and b) The money would just go back to the government unrightfully, not the people who should actually have it, anyway.

If someone does something to generate money, the government shouldn't be given the right to just come in and snatch it up because they say it's "bad for the planet".

I think more centralization would solve most of our population and enviromental problems, as well as a reduction in the amount of meat eaten in the First World. Of course, it has to be recognized that the worst harm towards the enviroment is actually coming from Third World countries, ala the destruction of vast amounts of forests, rivers, lakes, natural wildlife, etc..
i dont know DM i think Salary caps are good ideas when people start making omre than 50 million bucks. Anyhting extra should be taken and put into local charities, and or school systems et al. And how many of those troubles to the environment in the 3rd world are only ther ebecause of Rich scumbags in the 1st worlds who moved thier factories off tier shores to lands where its cheaper because of reduced environmental protection along with cheaper labor? If you can only make 50 million bucks the "sickness" as i call it may be averted in some cases...the sickness being when you have say 50 million bucks and you dont spend it and you just need to make more and more and more and youre possessed by your money..that money should be taken and given to social programs and charities to protect the society.
__________________
Tolerance is a virtue of a dying civilzation. Aristotle
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #10
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
Quote:
Originally posted by Sixgun_Symphony
Hey Commies,

What makes you think that your brutal, oppressive, murderous and ultimately failed marxist system is going to save the environment?
I never claimed any system as mine. I am of the opinion that we need a system in place that limits how much you can gouge off the face of the planet.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #11
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
Quote:
Originally posted by Dark Messiah
When a better alternative to capitalism emerges, I'll consider it.


What do you think an alternative worth considering would be like?
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #12
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
Quote:
Originally posted by Dark Messiah

If someone does something to generate money, the government shouldn't be given the right to just come in and snatch it up because they say it's "bad for the planet".

I disagree. If there's only so much food in the pantry, you have the right to say 'No, you can't have any more. If you do we'll all starve.'
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #13
Sixgun_Symphony
Darkness Incarnate
 
Sixgun_Symphony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 4,761
Sixgun_Symphony is an unknown quantity at this point
Credits: 280,566
Rationing then?

It will not work when the population is exploding. During the twentieth century, the global population rose from one billion to over six billion. We live on an overpopulated planet of diminishing resources and until you can do something about population growth, no amount of rationing will save the earth.

Billy and I have had some lively debates over the population bomb. The population bomb is a very controversial topic due to the issues that surround it.(ie. birth control, immigration, and etc.)

My personal opinion is that if the world population were below one billion, then everybody could enjoy the middle class existance at minimum. The industrious could enjoy their wealthy lifetyles. And all this with less damage to the Earth than what we have now.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by Sixgun_Symphony; 04-11-03 at 16:45.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #14
Iron's Rite
United States of Moronica
 
Iron's Rite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: "The forest folded it's branches around me, something passed by and I went into a dream." -Opeth
Posts: 12,415
Iron's Rite is on a distinguished road
Credits: 253,465
I agree with and support the idea of birth control, however, it is not something that can be forced upon people, education about it and it's importance is key.
__________________
de vagorum ordine dico vobis iura
fatue fatue
quid prodest tibi laborare
[hildegard von bingen - ordo virtutum]
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-03   #15
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
Quote:
Originally posted by Sixgun_Symphony
Rationing then?

It will not work when the population is exploding. During the twentieth century, the global population rose from one billion to over six billion. We live on an overpopulated planet of diminishing resources and until you can do something about population growth, no amount of rationing will save the earth.

Billy and I have had some lively debates over the population bomb. The population bomb is a very controversial topic due to the issues that surround it.(ie. birth control, immigration, and etc.)

My personal opinion is that if the world population were below one billion, then everybody could enjoy the middle class existance at minimum. The industrious could enjoy their wealthy lifetyles. And all this with less damage to the Earth than what we have now.
Yes good point. This would be the other factor in the equation. From what I've read some of the ways to solve this problem are more education and empowerment for women, and (strangely enough) lowering infant mortallity.

Yes, having the population around 1 billion would solve alot of problems....somehow though I doubt the method of achieving this would be too popular.

So....one could make the assumption that improving conditions in 3rd world countries would do much to help things overall.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-03   #16
Sixgun_Symphony
Darkness Incarnate
 
Sixgun_Symphony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 4,761
Sixgun_Symphony is an unknown quantity at this point
Credits: 280,566
Agreed,

I think a big problem is religion. It keeps women barefoot and pregnant. The taliban government is a good example here.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-03   #17
Billy the Kidd
Self Serving Hypocrite
Admin
 
Billy the Kidd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Progressive HELL!!!
Posts: 19,435
Billy the Kidd will become famous soon enough
Credits: 418,223
1 billion, so we gotta figure out how to make another few billion people disappear..and which ones? i say we start with gun nuts, right wingers and war mongers. at least thats just my take on it.
__________________
Tolerance is a virtue of a dying civilzation. Aristotle
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-03   #18
Qoji
Dark Q
 
Qoji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: The Dark Continuum
Posts: 4,448
Qoji is on a distinguished road
Credits: 79,924
Quote:
Originally posted by Sixgun_Symphony
Agreed,

I think a big problem is religion. It keeps women barefoot and pregnant. The taliban government is a good example here.
Yes, religion, like nationalisim, can be twisted around to justify just about anything.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-03   #19
Sixgun_Symphony
Darkness Incarnate
 
Sixgun_Symphony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 4,761
Sixgun_Symphony is an unknown quantity at this point
Credits: 280,566
Don't forget that it was Lenin who said "you can't make omelettes without cracking eggs."
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-03   #20
RedMeat
Sweet Zombie Jesus
 
RedMeat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: On the fringe
Posts: 28,443
RedMeat will become famous soon enoughRedMeat will become famous soon enough
Credits: 311,095
He couldnt cook to save his life.
__________________
Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.

Darkness squeezes, Satan`s platypus rises tonight! Bork, bork, bork!
is Offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Recent Threads
Anybody have...
9 Hours Ago 21:02
Last post by Wicked Lady
1 Hour Ago 04:57
Overflowing asylums
3 Weeks Ago 01:23
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
1 Day Ago 19:27
Hey fr0g
3 Days Ago 01:49
Last post by thefr0g
2 Days Ago 15:36
Obama sends a letter.
3 Days Ago 21:42
Last post by Sic Simon
3 Days Ago 21:42
what surprised you today?
04-11-13 17:55
Last post by Sic Simon
3 Days Ago 21:19
Science Disproves...
11-01-10 14:38
by Pahu
Last post by Sic Simon
3 Days Ago 21:16
Whats your job?
11-20-07 14:57
Last post by Sic Simon
5 Days Ago 20:26
what have you eaten...
12-24-03 19:43
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
6 Days Ago 10:09
Darkforum Youtube!
03-25-13 07:48
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
6 Days Ago 09:32
vote or die
2 Weeks Ago 01:56
Last post by JeNn_DeViLz
6 Days Ago 09:20
Online Users: 56
0 members and 56 guests
No Members online
Most users ever online was 1928, 06-09-15 at 18:20.
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com

© 2006 - 2016 Dark Forum | About Dark Forum | Advertisers | Investors | Legal | A member of the Crowdgather Forum Community