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Old 12-02-01   #1
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i need help:(

ok i have a huge project due and i need the opinions of others with this so please help....

the question is: Should the powers of law enforcement be expanded in order to protect national security?

meaning our cell/ home phone monitered and our email...and being watched....

why is it a good idea or why isnt it????....

please help...thanxs
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personally, i don't think this is a good idea. trading personal privacy for security that has no proof that it will work. will any security system monitor all calls and emails effectivelly? and there's always the idea that those involved in "bad stuff" will speak/type in code or even spell words slightly wrong so that it will not come up in searches.

also the money that will go into this monitoring seems would be massive and how much could they stop? maybe it will not be about stopping crime, but rather evidence after it happens. and i assure you, in such a case, evidence would easily be forged and the system abused.

example: any further terrorists would actually email each other in uncoded messages and in english no doubt. yes the every day person would believe it.
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thanx 4 reply...

i think that if they do this then something so small could be turned into something major...example...ur on the phone and ur telling ur friend that u hate this one person and sometimes u feel like killing them...if someone is montoring the call then there gonna think that ur gonna do it and u'll go to jail... but thats the only example i have right now that y i need more to argue this opinion
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or worse, that person is killed. how bad would that be? you'd be done in for sure. well depends on your financial status and ultimately your lawyer's talents.
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*nods* yeah..i still need more things about this....
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Old 12-04-01   #6
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I'm going to say this as clearly as possible so that I only have to say it one time:

The recent motions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Central Intelligence Agency were a power grab. Using widespread panic has long been the prevailing theory on how a group would be able to side-step the constitution in an effort to gain more control over the American people.

Many things have led to this:

Foremost is the miseduation of American youths. Patriotism is so much more than hanging a flag on your car antennae. A real patriot is prepared to lay down their life in order to preserve their freedom. The fact that the "Patriot" act passed is a demonstration of the lack of patriotism in the United States. Our equivalence to sheep, however, was not self-induced. It is, in fact, the government which has been motioning to continually neuter our school system under the guile of making our schools more "politically correct." Many of this nations finest books are banned and/or frowned upon for teaching in the class room. This, above everything else, has cut our education short in encouraging young men and women to think for themselves. I shudder to think of a future without books such as "To Kill a Mocking Bird," "Fahrenheit 451," or "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." But that reality is right around the corner. The eduction system is in a state of apathy, and despite all its resistance amongst teachers to delay these series of attacks on our knowledge, the government is succeeding. It is succeeding by way of the previous generation of mis-educated people.

For instance: if Harry Potter was banned in schools, this is what the list would look like of banned books for the year 2002:

Harry Potter (cheers from the nation)
All Quiet on the Western Front (silence)
This Perfect Day (*crickets chirping*)
Walden (*blank stares*)

The public would be excited about this "victory." Meanwhile anyone who's read these books would know that they are important to our youth but would also know that the government has a great deal of interest in banning them. Walden, for example, is all about civil discontent. People these days think that's unpatriotic. But it's not. Discontent is what drove America to come into existance. One should never be content with ones government according to our forefathers. If we don't see a need for change, then there won't be a need for the government to improve. And if the government is not improving, then it's changing in a disagreeable way. No form of political power in history has ever stayed the same. Politics are in a constant state of change, so we must strive to keep them moving in a positive direction.

Second of all, the U.S. Patriot Act is in direct violotion to the 4th amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. See http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html . I personally downloaded the U.S Patriot Act, put it side by side with the Constitutional Amendments, and found it to indeed by in direct violation. I urge you to do this for yourself.

In short: No, the privelages of Federal, State, or County law enforcement should not be increased in the interest of "National Security." If we must destroy the basic fundementals of our country in order to preserve our lives, then I say let us all perish in a massive cloud of anthrax. It would be a far better thing than leaving this world knowing that your children have less basic freedoms than you did at their age.

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You can find this at http://www.stormpages.com/darkstorm/patriot001.htm just in case you wish to cite me.
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I reloaded the page. Either my free host found out I was side-stepping the advertisements, or the FBI removed the files. Keep in mind the first scenario is much more likely though.
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How did this essay go? Just curious...
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Old 12-15-01   #10
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thanx to all the info i got/had ...i got an A+ ....IM SO HAPPY
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Just maybe if you get away
Death WILL come another day

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Old 12-16-01   #12
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yep i guess i can get this thread closed now...
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*QUOTE TO PONDER: The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. *
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You try to run but he's faster then you
He'll get u and there's nothing you can do
Just maybe if you get away
Death WILL come another day

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Congratulations! I hope my over-exaggerated response was of assistance. But congratulations either way. I just have one more question, and you can be honest (I'll promise not to reply even if I disagree) after doing this report, what did you end up thinking was right?
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Old 12-17-01   #14
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thanx u hun...and i think that we shouldnt do any of that "expanding powers" because i really dont want anyone in my business....and its agains the laws to do that.... once again thanx for the help....
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Death will bust his way inside
If you jump out the window
Death is smart he will know
You try to run but he's faster then you
He'll get u and there's nothing you can do
Just maybe if you get away
Death WILL come another day

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