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View Poll Results: The Necronomicon: solely a creation of fiction?
Yes, it did not exist before Lovecraft. 16 72.73%
No, it is an ancient magickal text. 6 27.27%
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Old 09-03-01   #1
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The Necromonicon

This debate seems to have sprung up in several threads and it seems that opinions are fairly evenly split, so is the Necronomicon a fictional entity with no real origins except in fiction writing, or is it an ancient magickal text written by "the Mad Arab"? All my sources suggest the former, but I know little on the subject, anyone care to enlighten me?
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I thought Lovecraft too.
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Everybody knows what I think, The Necrnomicon did not exist before H.P.Lovecraft.



.....you have no idea how hard it is to tell people that...

Now, it was Jorydn and I who had this little debat in the "Hi, I'm Satan" thread. If you want my views, please read it.
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It was around before Lovecraft, I can't say how long (some of you will understand why) but Lord Byron had a copy that he picked up in Greece.

And Technically the author wasn't an Arab.


The Egyptians had legends about it so it was round before them.
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I know, I read your debate with Jordyn Set, that's why I started this thread. That and "Draco13" states that he "follows the teachings of the Necronomicon"

Feroluce: Evidences? Can you be more precise on these Egyptian Legends? Please note that I'm not just talking about "a book upon which Lovecrafts Necronomicon was based", rather an actual book called "The Necronomicon". Thank you for your insight.
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oops, prolly should have read the "hi I'm satan thread" but it was just too tedious.

Do you mean did Lovecraft come up with the title?

not sure on that one
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What I mean is - does the book that Lovecraft "quoted" in his books (apparantly, I'm incredibly poorly read and haven't read any of them... sue me), and called The Necromonicon, actualy exist - or ever exist - as a real ancient text created before Lovecrafts reference to it? Perhaps he used a particular book but changed the name? This would count too, as long as it is the same book.
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I tried to read the call ot the Cthulu but I just couldn't get into it so I honestly don't know.

I do know that there's a book of the dead, book of shadows, key of solomon, grand Grimoire, whatever you want to call it, and that it is as old as history itself (if you get my meaning),
Maybe he was refering to this?!

Who knows what goes on in a loony like Lovecrafts mind
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Of course, there are many Books of the Dead from ancient cultures, as well as many Grimoires. The Key of Solomon, translated by Mathers, is still available through Amazon. If it was a Book of the Dead that Lovecraft was reffering to, that would be very believable, but then how to explain people who claim to "follow the teachings of The Necromonicon" and "the Mad Arab"? Seems very suspect to me...
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Well the one I'm talking about there's no way you could "follow the teachings" of it, it's just an answer to the question Why? rather than How?

As for the mad Arab, lovecraft was mental, the mad arab could have been the guy in the bookshop for all we know
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Is there one in particular you are thinking of? Which? Still there are people who are quite fervant that they believe in The Necromonicon and its "teachings", I would be interested to know where they themselves found the book (Draco13? Jordyn?) Maybe errantrogue will know something about this, he seems to be a Lovecraft fan...
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I can't answer that.

I'm sure that since Lovecraft caused such a hubbub if there wasn't a necromonicon around that someone would have written one.
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Oh, more of your Bodoukha or whatever? (sorry I forget the exact word, but I got the gist right?) I'd be very interested to find out about that, and why it is so secretive. I just can't resist secrets

Yes, there are infact two versions of "The Necromonicon" floating around the net, both of which are certified fake, and both of which are completely different. No one would realy base their entire belief system on a document such as this, surely?!
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It's so secret because knowledge can be dangerous but it's too important to lose.

As for people basing their beliefs on a book that may be fake, there are Star Trek inspired religions
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You're part of a top-secret Star Trek inspired cult you say? Kill 'im!

If it's so secret, where did you find out about it huh?
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Ok, here's one version of the Necronomicon, I haven't read it yet, but what the hell: http://www.chesco.com/~aconry/dex.htm
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Ah, that would be telling


I was on the outskirts of it for a long while then I got sick and I needed to know the full story to get through it. It takes a very strong willed person to learn because it destroys all your belief structures. Why do you need faith when you have knowledge?
I was just at a point in my life where I could handle it.

A small few of us know the full story and a few more know parts and we are to make sure that it doesn't become common knowledge.


Frank L.Baum touched on it in his most famous work
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Do you actualy believe that you know The Answer? Let me guess let me guess, it it...





...42?

Seriously, do you believe that you know what the Universe realy is, what humans realy are, etc.? I find that somewhat farfetched, but then of course I would wouldn't I. I searched for Bodoukha-whatsit at the time, when you posted "getting scared now", and all I got was a Martial Art form, hmmm
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It's a martial art form too, well the martial art is a part of it, well the martial art is a branch of the trinity which also includes mind war and spirit combat (not as dungeons and dragons as it sounds)

The scary thing is that I can give you clear solid scientific proof for stuff (I love that word, it gets me out of details )
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I can give you clear solid scientific proof for stuff (I love that word, it gets me out of details )
You can, or you could if I was an initiate? So can you give me a basic outline of what the world is realy like according to you guys or would that be telling? "Scientific Proof" doesn't do much for me I've got to say, lots of things can be "scientificaly proven"...
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