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Old 11-02-07   #21
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I love the way people will use anything to justify stealing. Oh my family is starving, thats why its ok if i break into your house and steal right Sixx?
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Old 11-02-07   #22
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I knew you'd have something to say, which is why I posted in the first place. You amuse me.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. Downloading music or recording your favorite radio station is violating the terms of a copyright license or copyright infringement. Stealing property or a CD from a music store is theft as it deprives a person of their property. While copyright infringement is clearly illegal, it may be inaccurate to describe it as theft.

It's a matter of criminal case (theft,stealing) vs a civil case (copyright infringement).
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I knew you'd have something to say, which is why I posted in the first place. You amuse me.
Brilliant counter to my argument. Shouldn't you go back to yelling at people for using rhyme schemes?
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Correct me if I'm wrong. Downloading music or recording your favorite radio station is violating the terms of a copyright license or copyright infringement. Stealing property or a CD from a music store is theft as it deprives a person of their property. While copyright infringement is clearly illegal, it may be inaccurate to describe it as theft.

It's a matter of criminal case (theft,stealing) vs a civil case (copyright infringement).
Downloading a song illegally is digital piracy. Theft. And it isn't illegal to record your favorite radio station, its public airwaves which you pay for with taxes.
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Ah, I didn't know you could record songs from the radio legally. There doesn't seem to be much difference between recording metallica off of a radio and downloading it. I mean, the end would be the same.

When you download a song illegally you are not depriving a person of their property. If you download a song or you don't download a song or you don't buy the song, you aren't depriving someone of money, a CD, a tangible good. However, it is a violation of a copyright.
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Ah, I didn't know you could record songs from the radio legally. There doesn't seem to be much difference between recording metallica off of a radio and downloading it. I mean, the end would be the same.

When you download a song illegally you are not depriving a person of their property. If you download a song or you don't download a song or you don't buy the song, you aren't depriving someone of money, a CD, a tangible good. However, it is a violation of a copyright.
Radio stations usually have to pay for the right to play a song, so its as if someone paid a fee for you. And there is a large difference, when you put something on the air its fair game, since those are public airwaves. The internet is not the same since most of the data is stored on private servers etc. If the data on a private server is stolen data, its theft to download it. Kind of like if you come to me and I give you a bunch of items I stole, you're still accepting stolen goods which is illegal.

And just because something isn't tangible, doesn't mean it cannot be stolen. And when you illegally download something you are depriving the artist or owner of the data of their right to control their copy-written private information. Which usually means you're robbing them of their right to earn a profit from their hard work. Profit by the way is where is becomes tangible.
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Well if someone rips their CD and puts the tracks online, which I then download, then isn't that the same as someone paying the fee for me?
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Brilliant counter to my argument. Shouldn't you go back to yelling at people for using rhyme schemes?
Don't you have anything new to tear my ass with? You've been sayin' that shit for the past three years . . . you fuckin' republican.
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Well if someone rips their CD and puts the tracks online, which I then download, then isn't that the same as someone paying the fee for me?
word . . .

Besides, isn't copyright infringement aimed more so at those who put the shit online rather than those who take it?
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Don't you have anything new to tear my ass with? You've been sayin' that shit for the past three years . . . you fuckin' republican.
Why don't you two both just let it go and concentrate on the topic at hand?
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Don't you have anything new to tear my ass with? You've been sayin' that shit for the past three years . . . you fuckin' republican.
Republican isn't an insult you fucking socialist. And no I don't, you are a 2 dimensional character without much depth, like your shitty poetry.
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Well if someone rips their CD and puts the tracks online, which I then download, then isn't that the same as someone paying the fee for me?
I don't think so, its more like if I sell you stolen goods.
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word . . .

Besides, isn't copyright infringement aimed more so at those who put the shit online rather than those who take it?
No, otherwise they wouldn't have been tracking down those people downloading them and suing them.
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Republican isn't an insult you fucking socialist. And no I don't, you are a 2 dimensional character without much depth, like your shitty poetry.
Yeah, I was merely pointing out the monotony of our conversations. You say I'm a shitty poet, I say you're a right-winged moron, you say I'm a shitty poet, I say you're a right-winged moron, you say I'm a shitty poet . . . but if you want, you may have the last word.



Now, to the topic at hand.

Who is it you think you're stealing from when you're downloading? Because unless it's some powerhouse-dynasty like Metallica or Tool, most bands don't see shit from album sales or merchandise sales. The only money that the bands see is from whatever the record company buys their album for and from doing shows.

And with the music industry the way it is these days (building their own dynasties, force feeding pop-culture, and tryin' to screw over the real bands [because it is an industry, and they run it like one . . . often suing bands that break-up for not fulfilling their 6 album contract]) it's no wonder that most bands really do want people to download their shit. I can't tell you how many albums I've downloaded from a band's website. Some bands put up all of their albums so you can download them.

Most musicians these days have their own recording equipment. A basic kit will only run you a couple of thousand dollars. They record their music, post it online, hope people download it and decide to come out to their shows. And if they get really popular, they might have a large enough fan-base that they can afford to spend a few grand making merchandise so fans might buy it.

Downloading isn't going to go away. People will continue to do it . . . and there's many tricks to it. But for the artist, rather than bitching about it, they need to embrace it and find a way to use it. Some bands already have, finding a larger fan base than a record company could offer. And the industry has even jumped into the game with itunes and shit. So, in the end . . . downloading can be beneficial.
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Yeah, I was merely pointing out the monotony of our conversations. You say I'm a shitty poet, I say you're a right-winged moron, you say I'm a shitty poet, I say you're a right-winged moron, you say I'm a shitty poet . . . but if you want, you may have the last word.



Now, to the topic at hand.

Who is it you think you're stealing from when you're downloading? Because unless it's some powerhouse-dynasty like Metallica or Tool, most bands don't see shit from album sales or merchandise sales. The only money that the bands see is from whatever the record company buys their album for and from doing shows.

And with the music industry the way it is these days (building their own dynasties, force feeding pop-culture, and tryin' to screw over the real bands [because it is an industry, and they run it like one . . . often suing bands that break-up for not fulfilling their 6 album contract]) it's no wonder that most bands really do want people to download their shit. I can't tell you how many albums I've downloaded from a band's website. Some bands put up all of their albums so you can download them.

Most musicians these days have their own recording equipment. A basic kit will only run you a couple of thousand dollars. They record their music, post it online, hope people download it and decide to come out to their shows. And if they get really popular, they might have a large enough fan-base that they can afford to spend a few grand making merchandise so fans might buy it.

Downloading isn't going to go away. People will continue to do it . . . and there's many tricks to it. But for the artist, rather than bitching about it, they need to embrace it and find a way to use it. Some bands already have, finding a larger fan base than a record company could offer. And the industry has even jumped into the game with itunes and shit. So, in the end . . . downloading can be beneficial.
Thats not true, I don't consider you a poet at all. You do however vomit mind diarrhea all over the place, like most uneducated liberal dip-shits.
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Well...some discussion is better than no discussion, I guess.

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me thinks

If you stock your selves with music I like, I will buy it!


However, until then....
I will buy directly from the aritists/or perhaps not buy at all...
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