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Old 06-16-03   #1
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GM Soldiers

Is genetically enhancing individuals to the end of making them better soldiers a good idea?

Forces could be sent into battle and the government were sure that there would be no casualties on their side but the enemy would be wiped out.

Would this make it too easy for politicians to make the decision to send in troops?

Would you sign up to be "enhanced"?

Would a social stigma be attached to these "enhanced" individuals?
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Old 06-16-03   #2
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Havent you ever read Rouge Trooper? All the answers are there. As soon as they out live their usefulness the chances are that they`ll have to be destroyed.
Not that I wouldnt want geneticaly enhaced ablities.
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lovely as the thought may be, thankfully we dont need to worry about this yet as we just dont have the abilities required to make this possible.

still, assuming it was possible, there's the question of whether you're breeding an entire race of soldiers and therefore abolishing their free will, or whether you're asking for adult volunteers, which ethically is a lot nicer, but scientifically a lot more difficult, since the genetic code is a lot easier to fiddle with before birth.

personally i'd love to be genetically enhanced. as it is i'm getting my structure messed with in a rather more direct route, with a bone grafting operation coming up. boy do i wish they could fix that with just an injection of genes!
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At this stage in the game, genetic enhancement of an adult is a practical impossibility. In order to insert a gene into an individual, you have to perform the same genetic manipulation to every cell in the organism's body. Hence the reason that most experimentation is initially done on single-celled organisms.

If anything, they'd have to start genetically engineered soldiers from scratch, and do the enhancements on fertilized eggs.
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Just tonight I was watching the discovery channel ( shhhh ). And it was a program about superheroes' powers and the possibility of them. The first segment I saw was about the Hulk and if being that big is possible, and guess what....... it IS. They've already done it successfully to mice, They become 40% larger ( in bone struc. and muscle mass ) than the average mouse, AND STAY THAT WAY for the REST of their LIVES. Unlike human bodybuilders whose muscle mass turns to fat after age 50 usually. The GM works by disguising itself as a"virus" and "infecting" every cell in the body. They predict that in less that 30 years they'll be able to do this to humans, turning them into 10 foot tall, half-ton behemoths of lean muscle mass and pure brute strength. Were talking tanker powerlifters. Not quite The Incredible Hulk, but it's close enough for me to be the first in line, but I'll be damned if they try to use me for something as expendable as a soldier.
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That rocks. I'd like to be altered and become superstrong and all that good stuff...although if everybody did it...what would be the point?
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Havent you ever read Rouge Trooper? All the answers are there. As soon as they out live their usefulness the chances are that they`ll have to be destroyed.
Not that I wouldnt want geneticaly enhaced ablities.
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Well having been in the military and having trained recruits if it makes them any better at drill I say go for it!!

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Well having been in the military and having trained recruits if it makes them any better at drill I say go for it!!

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Can't make them too intelligent. They might start thinking for themselves...
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Can't make them too intelligent. They might start thinking for themselves...

I would disagree, a soldier has to have a degree of personal initiative. To blindly follow orders is folly, at the sharp end the plan can change in a blink of an eye and the section commander has to be able to adapt, to the imediate situation while accomplishing the overall mission. This any way is Brit/Canadian doctrine we plan from the ground up and focused on small unit tactics. I would suppose that a GM soldier would have the doctrinal knowledge of his army hard wired into his brain, be he a machine like motorised trooper or special operations soldier.

Also here is something to think about, the drug Ephedra was developed by NATO in the 80's to keep soldiers awake on excercises!
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I would disagree, a soldier has to have a degree of personal initiative. To blindly follow orders is folly, at the sharp end the plan can change in a blink of an eye and the section commander has to be able to adapt, to the imediate situation while accomplishing the overall mission. This any way is Brit/Canadian doctrine we plan from the ground up and focused on small unit tactics. I would suppose that a GM soldier would have the doctrinal knowledge of his army hard wired into his brain, be he a machine like motorised trooper or special operations soldier.

Also here is something to think about, the drug Ephedra was developed by NATO in the 80's to keep soldiers awake on excercises!
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Old 06-24-03   #13
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If this did come through wouldn't it be slightly terrifying if they did decide to change sides? If they kept free will and we'll say America went off and did this but say Russia offers them something better...they could change sides and wipe out America instead of their enemies. It sounds like something a little too dangerous and risky to actually meddle with. If we were too take their will and they were to blindly follow orders...who or what would be the thing that they followed? Would that persons voice have to be almost programmed into them so they'd know it always? What if that person dies? Then the whole troop could become useless....and if not programmed in their head..then what? No doesn't sound like a good idea unless we want total world destruction..mmhmm...
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