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Old 09-07-08   #1
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Changing the Drinking age in the U.S.

Alright so there is now talk by various college deans about having the drinking age limit lowered to 18. Of course many many people think this is a bad idea. I have this to ask: Why? What fucking difference is it gonna make? If they want to drink, they will find a way, legal or not. These are the same fucking people that think Prohibition should be reinstated in the U.S. Bad idea(although I do enjoy drinking, I am not saying that because I enjoy drinking, I am saying that because of how effective it was the last time it was instated.) Prohibition is about effective as gun control, which ain't very effective. People will find alcohol, just like people find guns in gun control heavy countries. As long as man has the knowledge of how to make, he will make it. Combine that with Man's Greed, and your idea of Prohibition just went out the goddamn window. Again.
Of course there is another side to this argument, which is this: Are 18 year olds mature enough for the responisbilities that alcohol entails? Since when does age have any bearing on maturity. My 11 year old niece is often times more mature than her 34 year old stepdad. I also think that lowering the drinking age will reduce underage drink, not because of the lower age limit, but because it will make drinking less appealing. Besides, all our armed forces still under 21 deserve to be able to drink. Our government seems to think that 18 is old enough for them to get shot at, maimed, disabled, or suffer many other horrible fates, that I cannot think of right now, yet remain alive, but they can't have a beer? Fuck off assholes. I meet a member of the armed forces that has served overseas, and isn't 21, I don't give a shit if a fucking cop is standing behind me, I am buy them a drink, fuck the law.
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I know its become a cliche, but the "old enough to join the army, old enough to drink" thing is damn near inarguable in my mind. Lower. The fucking. Drinking age.

Now the one thing I do have against this is... what the shit does it have to do with College deans? I don't want college deans making or changing laws, thanks.
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They want to change the laws to keep their students out of jail
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im with fr0g, it pisses me off that in the uk you can join the army at 17 but they cant drink till they are 18. although the way things are going i think the uk are trying to go all american and raise the drinking age to 21 since they wont sell you booze without id unless you look over 25. shit i am 25 and i'm still getting id. it was easier getting booze when i was underage!
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im with fr0g, it pisses me off that in the uk you can join the army at 17 but they cant drink till they are 18. although the way things are going i think the uk are trying to go all american and raise the drinking age to 21 since they wont sell you booze without id unless you look over 25. shit i am 25 and i'm still getting id. it was easier getting booze when i was underage!
the highering of drinking ages usually tends to come from excessive government meddling and special interest connections with insurance lobbyists. Thats what we should be attacking.
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Spikess I know the feeling. I get I.D. for just about everything, I just turned 26. At 18 you are old enough to smoke(with certain exceptions) get laid, watch porn(again with certain exceptions) not go to school, work dangerous jobs, go into the military, just about everything but drink. I want to know why is that such an exception
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Spikess I know the feeling. I get I.D. for just about everything, I just turned 26. At 18 you are old enough to smoke(with certain exceptions) get laid, watch porn(again with certain exceptions) not go to school, work dangerous jobs, go into the military, just about everything but drink. I want to know why is that such an exception
Not that i for a high drinking age, but lets not pretend cigarettes are somehow as bad as drinking, both kill you in the long run, except drinking makes you crash cars etc.
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Holy shit!!! im only 14 and i say that its pointless not to lower it becuase i can get liquer if i want, not as if im goin to i like to drink accasoinaly but not alot i like to drink but not to get drunk i like the taste any one else feel that way?
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Not that i for a high drinking age, but lets not pretend cigarettes are somehow as bad as drinking, both kill you in the long run, except drinking makes you crash cars etc.
Never said they weren't as dangerous, they are just one of the things that you can do before turning 21.
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I know its become a cliche, but the "old enough to join the army, old enough to drink" thing is damn near inarguable in my mind. Lower. The fucking. Drinking age.

Now the one thing I do have against this is... what the shit does it have to do with College deans? I don't want college deans making or changing laws, thanks.
Amen to all of the above.

As far as age and maturity levels go, unfortunately in today's society there is always going to be "an exception" and "a norm" and with the way the government has meddled in the raising of children, the norm is that they haven't learned squat about the way the world works (on an overall general scale) and so I'm afraid that in this instance and many others, yes maturity comes with age (most of the time... again, back to those exceptions) Most people by 21 will have a better idea of the way the world works, they will have a drivers license, will have seen enough of life to understand and FULLY comprehend the damaging effects alcoholism can have not only on oneself but others around you, as well as the other lateral damages such as drunk driving & killing other people, yadda yadda... and yes there will be SOME who even by 35, will not have matured, however by that point they are not the norm, they are the exception.

3 cheers for balance, eh? (or something)
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Amen to all of the above.

As far as age and maturity levels go, unfortunately in today's society there is always going to be "an exception" and "a norm" and with the way the government has meddled in the raising of children, the norm is that they haven't learned squat about the way the world works (on an overall general scale) and so I'm afraid that in this instance and many others, yes maturity comes with age (most of the time... again, back to those exceptions) Most people by 21 will have a better idea of the way the world works, they will have a drivers license, will have seen enough of life to understand and FULLY comprehend the damaging effects alcoholism can have not only on oneself but others around you, as well as the other lateral damages such as drunk driving & killing other people, yadda yadda... and yes there will be SOME who even by 35, will not have matured, however by that point they are not the norm, they are the exception.

3 cheers for balance, eh? (or something)
I guess that makes me an exception. I have had two family members killed as a result of drunk driving, seen how the world works, and knew the dangers of alcoholism, as it runs in my family, and I grew up with a violent drunk, all by age 12.
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I'm very sorry to hear that, and that cannot have been an easy environment to grow up in at all.
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explains why hes such a nutcase im just messin im sorry to hear that ive had it kinda rough to i still am
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This whole "legalize everything since people are going to find a way to do it anyway" is fucking stupid. How about we lower the age of consent to 9 since kids are going to find a way to play doctor anyway?

I don't give a rat shit what the age is. No matter what they raise it to, I'll be old enough.
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Yea really. It's not like just because you have to be 21 to get alcohol means you can't get it underage. It's a piece of cake nowadays to just call someone up that's over age. Hell I've even went into the store a couple of times myself and bought Crown. lol All lowering the drinking age is going to do is keep the stupid people that are underage that like to drive drunk and do stupid shit while they are drunk outta jail.
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Our "drinking" age is 18 already.
I'm in two minds on the subject. Yeah, they can do other things like driving etc etc, but the level of maturity isn't there. I know when myself and friends officially hit 18 we binged bigtime, even though alcohol was available much earlier on from other sources. One was even hospitalized from it.
Then on the other hand, learning to consume sensibly comes from experience, so how can you have that experience literally under your belt by 21?

Maybe a limit on how much can be purchased, or the alcoholic percentage, between the ages of 18 to 21, but how on earth would that be viably enforced?

Either way, having the drinking age at 18 here hasn't really meant any major differences. No matter what age, people are going to drink themselves stupid and do stupid things.
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I'm very sorry to hear that, and that cannot have been an easy environment to grow up in at all.
According to social service works I have had to deal with in the course of me trying to get custody of my daughter, I should not be the functional member of society I currently, as the total accumulation of life experiences that I have had are enough to drive most people to suicide, or the loony bin, or both. But what the hell do they know?
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I don't see anything wrong with lowering the drinking age, however you know there will be consequences....

1. One good thing is that counties like mine will get richer off the increase in sales because (here) the county is the only one that can sell/distribute liquor.

2. Insurance premiums for drivers under 25 are going to go through the roof.

3. My favorite local bars are going to be flooded with even more immature retards. Its bad enough I have to deal with the freshman in my classes, I don't need them in my bars too.
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You are assuming that all bars I.D. customers in the first place.
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You are assuming that all bars I.D. customers in the first place.
They do here. This is one of the harshest places to try and get approved by the LBC. You have to have been a resident of the county for a minimum of 2 years and a property owner. You have to prove your revenue from food exceeds your alcohol sales by at least 48%. Right now the county is arguing over who should get control of beer and wine sales...whether it should be private or county controlled as well.

Where I lived before it was 18%, and they never really inspected places all that often. So yeah, you could get away it occasionally.
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