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Old 07-20-03   #61
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First post on the thread and I can pretty much guess that it's not necessary to read the rest.

All right, what I'd like to say about the Bible and truth is that the second of the first doesn't matter. In other words, it doesn;t matter if the Bible is true or not, it matters what you do about it. It doesn;t matter is Jesus was born in Bethlehem or Harlem, or if he was ever even born at all; it matters whether you love your neighbors. It doesn't matter if God made us or if we evolved from fish, it matters whether we live a good and loving life.
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Old 07-20-03   #63
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Actually, I think an unshakably solid argument could be posited with little effort all but proving that it does matter.
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Old 07-21-03   #64
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yes.... all but.
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Old 07-22-03   #66
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If anything were to be used to discredit the validity of the Bible, I think the strongest point is definitely the unicorn bit.

Flippin' unicorns!!! Not even part of Hebrew mythology, to the best of my knowledge. Think Greek.
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LOL the best way to discredit the bible, look at the author..
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this is interesting.

Now I dont want to cause a riot here, but i just read this thread from start to finish. (prove the bible wrong? bound to be juicy!) Now, one small detail sort of jumped out at me. On the first page of this missions expedition (you know, in my experience, a religious person who asks for your opinion on the bible is eventually going to try to convert you.) we have a brilliant piece of work by miss lillith (who has obviously educated herself well in history) that should have ended the argument immediately. It was filled with the kind of facts that are normally only discussed by bible scholars in dusty lecture halls. Despite this being the perfect opportunity for someone of the christian faith to show their actual knowledge of The Book and its beginnings, the only part of her post that was chosen for acknowledgment is the statement "truth is relative" which is perhaps the weakest statement she made, and most easily debated as an opinion. Instead of trying to tackle her good answer to the question, our bible touting friends choose to spend the bulk of the thread looking for prey in Common Sense who, in case you haven't heard, is taking the piss!! (and who has my permission not to give it back). It's obvious that they haven't the case to rebutt the claims of the educated people who posted, so they've resorted to laying curses of The Consequence of Sin on people who are just along for the ride. Well, thats all for now folks. it's getting too hot in this room so I had better turn this beast off before it blows a circuit.
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Just to disagree with your sidebar on how religious people trying to convert you by asking you about the Bible... I am christian, but I deny the validity of the text itself.... And i have no problem with someone's creed, so long as they have one.
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Ahh, yes Guy. I tend to paint all the christians with an unfriendly brush. I spent a good deal of time living in a small town full of churches and at one point was involved with a church for a year or so. I amend that comment as I do know that not all chistians are conversion maniacs. I've just met alot that were. But no worries to you as you seem like one of the people who does the faith justice.
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I hate going to church. It's a lot of stuff that's just plain misconstrued. Ironically, i very much want to be a priest.
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oh back to the main subject of this thread the reason of proof even if you're god existed that people are weak minded to powerful words as they would have been in the past, some people wouldn't except the truth of understand it and through translations and time and the book itself written by man makes it flawed. god himself wrote the ten commandments and a man destroyed them...so my evidence is in the bible itself.
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I can barely understand what you're saying, man, could you try correcting that post?
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NASA proved the Bible right.
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NASA may have done but it took one outsider scientist two seconds to see the million or so flaws in their research as usual.
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You mean NASA have located the unicorns?

NASA is filled with dumbasses who really don't know as much as they think about what they are doing. And if you think I'm referring to the Columbia incident, or even linking the Challenger (both of which could have been prevented), think again. Research NASA's history a bit and learn about all those people who got blown up, due to preventable and obvious situations, before even getting off the ground. During tests.
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You mean NASA have located the unicorns?

NASA is filled with dumbasses who really don't know as much as they think about what they are doing. And if you think I'm referring to the Columbia incident, or even linking the Challenger (both of which could have been prevented), think again. Research NASA's history a bit and learn about all those people who got blown up, due to preventable and obvious situations, before even getting off the ground. During tests.

Strange that...... I thought it was the budget cuts which caused those incidents to occur..... of course what this has to do with providing proof that the bible is incorrect is beyond me....
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NASA proved the Bible right.

I hope you aren't referring to that urban legend bullshit that went around, that suggested that Nasa had "found" a "Missing day".
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It is the very fact that most of these primary religions trying to "prove the other wrong" that has caused such discord in this world.

Now the issue with the Bible for instance is the fact that what the world has today is a much translated version of some kind of original text.


The Old Testament has been faithfully preserved by the Jewish in what is known as the Masoretic Text. There are few translation problems with the Old Testament.

I agree, and I'm kinda tired of everyone trying to prove everyone else wrong. *high five Lillith*

The translations are a big problem. Grab your average bible used in a christian church, and then grab a Jewish Chumash, and compare the old testament with the Hebrew version. There are some very big differences. When I read scripture, I only read it in Hebrew text, and it's about as close to the original text as you're going to get.

The Jews have indeed done a good job of preserving the Torah (first 5 books of the Old Testament), and the only things I can think of that would be considered translation problems, are the handful of words in the Torah that the meaning was lost. There's about half a dozen of them. After 3300 years, some words will change


So prove it wrong, eh?? How's this: The Mashiach, which was the person prophecied about in the Old Testament, had to fulfill a large number of prophecies. Jesus claimed to be this person, but he didn't fulfill a lot of them. For that matter, he didn't fulfill hardly any. Did he unite all of Israel and defeat her enemies? No. And his father was supposed to be through the line of King Dovid (David in English). Well, I can accept that Joseph was from Dovid's Lineage, but Jesus' father was supposably the man upstairs himself. And I'm sorry, but G-d is NOT a descendant of ANY human. Also, one of the commandments are to love G-d and only G-d, and to pray only to Him. So then Christians, by praying to Jesus, are breaking this commandment. And don't give me this trinity crap about them being the same person. If they were the same person, then you would be praying to G-d and NOT Jesus.

I don't really feel like typing much, I could go on about this for a very long time.

In case you were wondering, Orthodox Jews view G-d as an incredibly holy being, so much that whenever we write or type his name, we leave out the middle letter. He is so holy and revered to us, that we don't even write out those three letters, out of immense respect. So when you see me typing G-d, it's out of respect.
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