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Old 09-19-02   #41
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as usual morph it's a few representing the majority...both ways...it's just sad that those who really have anything worhwhile to say get swept under a rug by the louder more aggressives of any group...animal nature i suppose...
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Name examples? SOK was banned for having the wrong attitute when it comes to mods more than once and Shadowborn was taken off general modship for strongly disagreeing with a mod policy.One other person I know was threatened with a ban for being angry in a thread, it wasnt even worded 'offensivly' that thread is gone.
How exactly can people name examples of threads hidden away?
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oh enter the grand redmeat...i won't even discuss this with you
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It's common knowledge you're all a bunch of fuckheads on a power trip. I mean.. seriously. Get off your pedestal and see yourself for what you really are.
powertrip? what power? maybe the others has that certain power but not every mod has that power. the ones apointed to the section only sees what it is best to said section. but there's no reason to explain. no one cares anyway.
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some care, it's just easier to dismiss everyone they disagree with as "a great evil"...ellevating themselves to a level of martyr...kind of like how the inquisitions got started...
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History lesson for the day: Sire set a precedent for banning. Before he took over darkness.com and made it darkforum.com there was no such thing as banning. No such thing as moderation, or censorship. We basically did whatever the fuck we wanted to. Then he comes along with his grand ideas for making this gothkidasshole central. All of a sudden there are rules on all sorts of things. And we speak out. Sire even made a forum called Bitch Bitch Bitch so we could all talk shit. And what happened? I got banned. Pyrric got banned. CRYPT was banned, if I recall correctly. As well as Dyshade. Next thing I know... I'm a moderator of 2 forums. Pyrric's a mod... CRYPT is a mod... etc.

This shit is wishy washy. It's about playing favorites and ascerting power.

Is the forum any better off for having all these rules and shit? No. In fact, we spend a lot of time bitching about how much it sucks. Coincidence? I think NO. Fuckers.
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that's old news...
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sorry to hear that, wicked lovey. I know it's all true. but hey, there should be rules. or should anarchy rule supreme?
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Anarchy should reign supreme. This isn't a fucking Democratic country. It's a message board. Let people do what they want.
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I think I will add two pence here, since this does include "all mods"... I don't attack ANYONE on my board in advice, and I never will... if any of my posts are taken that way, I apologize to the person for that misconception. Secondly, I don't see anyone mentioning anything recent in here about the mods making mistakes... this is all old news, and just a reason to stir up trouble.

This mod team that we have right now is a very good working team. We have every personality imaginable in place, and we argue amonst each other in private, coming to a fair conclusion in the end, AFTER it has been hashed through over and over. That is the mods job. If you have a problem, use the report this post button. Believe me - they are read, discussed and settled. Just because you don't LIKE the answer isn't a reason to get all pissy. (generic "you") If you want something done then report the post, but it doesn't mean you'll get your way. It does mean that it will be raised as an issue, and accountability assigned where needed.

This board is not here to spew hatred. It may have been created that way on day one, but things change. If you don't like the changes, move on, leave DF. There are other places you can go. But this place isn't going to stay the same day after day, year after year, in order to placate a few people who wish to stagnate and never change, learn or grow.

And, if you don't like this post, or me, or my attitude, then report it. But give a damn good reason for it too.

And yes, I agree with Lillith, Chat and the Forum are two completely different entities. Learn to seperate them.
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Old 09-19-02   #51
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Ok Solace is banned.
Next ?
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Leave DF and be branded cowards?
No one still has said anything about why regular posters must be refused a say in the judging process or rule making ones.
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ban me! ban me!

wait.. I have the power to do that..

*bans himself*

wee! no more annoying and melodramatic Chupa!
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Old 09-19-02   #54
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The board is privately owned, not publicly owned. It doesn't have to grant any privileges at all, but it does. No one has to be concerned about what you say or think, but they do. The private ownership of the forum can make the rules very strict if it wants too. It could require everyone pay a membership fee, but it doesn't. It could require all vulgar words being censored, but it doesn't. It could implement a ban against everyone with a nickname beginning with the letter 'R', but it doesn't.

Its not a democracy, nor does it have to be. Its a privately owned forum and you're allowed to be a member and allowed to post. If you don't like its rules, there's a chain of command to address it through. Talk to the moderator of the specific forum. If that doesn't apply, talk to the supermoderators or admins, and if you don't feel comfortable with them;

Send a PM or Email to Gargoyle. Both are very easy to use. He's a very reasonable person, is intelligent, and has a mind of his own.
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I did PM him.The nature of the ownership is imporant but only as much as the fact that the individual posters in any forum make the place worthwhile at all for ownership or addition.If Garg wants a forum and not a community then it would be easier for him in the long run if he restricts the membership to his own approval.
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Restricting membership isn't necessary. He has a lot of people posting here, and enjoy being here. He doesn't have to run it any other way because it makes more sense to someone else. The membership base speaks volumes, thats its doing something right. Statistics based on these numbers would also show there will be a certain percentage who will respond the way many in this thread have been. No matter who the mods are or how many changes are made to the rules. Most people don't want to read thread after thread of harassments, and arguing.
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The membership base means nothing if you`re talking about the 10 thousend non posters.How exactly are you going to make those statistics then? Have you done a poll? Wait no you didnt and wouldnt really want to because you arent really concerned with the opinion of people here.
The idea behind democracy and free speach is that even if people are against the rules then at least they can speak out against it publicaly without threat.That process alone is worthwhile to read.This is more of a community feel then the chain of command military method.
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I wasn't talking about 10,000 people. I was talking about hundreds of active posters everyday. Please be more specific and make less assumptions. This isn't a democracy, and you aren't granted free speech. You don't get that in a privately owned forum. Think about it. If this were almost ANY location in your town, and you went inside to complain about the people who run it.. you'd be escorted out. You do those things in public, like gather at the local park or buy advertising space in your newspapers. So go start your own forum.

Now then, you mentioned writing to Garg. Did he ignore your concerns ?
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I wasn't talking about 10,000 people. I was talking about hundreds of active posters everyday. Please be more specific and make less assumptions. This isn't a democracy, and you aren't granted free speech. You don't get that in a privately owned forum. Think about it. If this were almost ANY location in your town, and you went inside to complain about the people who run it.. you'd be escorted out. You do those things in public, like gather at the local park or buy advertising space in your newspapers. So go start your own forum.

Now then, you mentioned writing to Garg. Did he ignore your concerns ?
Well he didnt address them directly.Just went off and talked to someone else about it.
Membership base is not specific, active posters is, you should have made that clearer.Actually most of them wouldnt mind what I said as long as I didnt make too much of a scene and if that hypothetical place is built solely to convay public opinion (like a debate teams clubhouse? I dont know) wouldnt be a little hypocritical if they took measures to slience people and refuse their opinion on rules?
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