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Old 08-03-17   #41
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Wasn't there a way to stick videos into posts so you could just watch them without clicking through the link, what happened to that
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Old 08-03-17   #42
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He probably went 200K into financial debt for this sociology degree in antifa level communism... its tragic. entire generations shackled to this ponzi scheme...
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As to the black market thing it doesn't make sense as a question to me and it implies you're still thinking of a Leninist party-state with a centrally managed, state capitalist economy, which is not the sort of communism I am talking about.
I guess I just don't fully understand what this society you're speaking of would be like. Its legit hard for me to imagine a world where people don't trade labor for money.


And I think that embed feature was getting abused or something so it got axed long ago. DF is strictly 2006 technology.
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I guess I just don't fully understand what this society you're speaking of would be like. Its legit hard for me to imagine a world where people don't trade labor for money.


And I think that embed feature was getting abused or something so it got axed long ago. DF is strictly 2006 technology.

So it's not like there's one definite form that it's clearly going to take, any initial iteration is probably going to be enormously flawed.

But imagine that politically all the decisions for how to govern day to day life within a community, whether that's a town or neighborhood or whatever, are made by all the people in that community collectively. This isn't mandatory but I imagine that for questions of executive decision making, people be chosen at random rather than elected, and for general questions I think that consensus voting is a lot better than first-past-the-post (or other systems of which I am aware.)

Now these are not completely autonomous communities, but go up a chain to local, regional, and ultimately global levels. But, especially with the advantages of modern technology enabling, you want to get as close to total democracy as possible.

This however is meant to take in mind economic as well as merely political democracy, aka, for the question of who owns, let's say, a factory full of specialized equipment, or a diamond mine or whatever, the answer is that everyone does on common. When the question is what to do with these things or how to use them, that question goes to the community.

There's an open question of whether or not you want to get rid of currency in this scenario, and I can see the pros and cons both ways, although I am leaning towards keeping some form of common currency. But either way you still have trade. Trade is not being outlawed, what is being gotten rid of is the idea of a single person owning the means of wealth production and renting out others' labor to utilize it, or owning the idea of a cure for a disease, etc..

As I previously mentioned, no one is stopping you from owning things for personal use in this scenario, so the idea of a "black market" doesn't seem seem to feature into it. Or I guess it could for some things that are deemed illegal in a community? But that's just an existing problem anyway. But no one's going to be in some alleyway with a factory or patent for a new type of diesel engine hidden in their trenchcoat to sell you illicitly.
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Old 08-04-17   #45
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See? He doesnt have to answer your questions, because there is no definite form, its practically religious.

DM can you admit youve turned ANTIFA now?
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I think he answered my question just fine.

The difference between us is that I believe DM and I have a common goal, that being the betterment of the world. I feel like your goal is the betterment of your own little tribe. I can disagree with DM and recognize that we have common ground. You get more pleasure out of calling him a snowflake and accomplishing fuck-all.

Enjoy it while it lasts, Billy. You think the recent political shift is the rise of the alt-right. I'm pretty certain it's the death gasp of an unsustainable belief system tied to a dying generation of fools.
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I think he answered my question just fine.

The difference between us is that I believe DM and I have a common goal, that being the betterment of the world. I feel like your goal is the betterment of your own little tribe. I can disagree with DM and recognize that we have common ground. You get more pleasure out of calling him a snowflake and accomplishing fuck-all.

Enjoy it while it lasts, Billy. You think the recent political shift is the rise of the alt-right. I'm pretty certain it's the death gasp of an unsustainable belief system tied to a dying generation of fools.

the betterment of the world... nice... nebulous and pointless. You earn 6 virtue signal points. My goal is the betterment of my tribe (aka FAMILY). Which is such a rational thing to do that everyone does it, except guilty white liberals who have been browbeaten since the 60s to believe that race isnt real, were all post modern etc... every other group has an identity and they know YOUR identity as well, even if we wont admit it they see White men.

In a way, I think some of the people on DF should be celebrating, this is what happens when you convince someone of socialism. I have abandoned libertarianism, for socialism. Because I know now that libertarianism would only ever work in a homogeneous society where everyone follows the same rules essentially. So I gave up.

Also for tears I was victim to the brainwashing that identity politics are wrong motto from the right. It turns out they were the only ones following that creedo, meanwhile every other racial group is out for themselves. Also before you tell me about your non race realist based minority pal who is against identity politics, understand that exceptions prove a rule.

I know you all think I hate nonwhites etc, but the truth is that my identitarianism is based in my love for my family, and I include race in that group, because race is essentially a family genetically speaking. Ive had nonwhite gf's lots of them. I wouldn't do that now, but I dont hate them either, in a way, being so IR most of my life, I really got to meet a lot of nonwhite people. more than you or DM ever knew and in such intimate ways I am willing to bet. And In those experiences I actually learned to really appreciate them not only for our ability to connect, but also for our differences. And there were huge differences in many metrics. I personally dont care who fucks who... I just know that for me, I want to further my lineage and my people and not change it into something else. I dont think this is an evil or insane thing to want, hell 90% of people want to breed and marry within their own group, its totally natural. But its not based in hatred for them, but a love for us. Even as a boy I was a westerphobe, I learned how to read, by reading greek mythology books. That made me interested in history, etc... I am big into history. I think in a way thats one of the major reasons for why I feel the way I do now.

The alt right, and white identiarianism is the future fr0g. Thats a face, all the metrics point to it. Which makes sense, if you can admit there is blatant anti white bias in our culture and our institutions now then you can see the truth of it... if you cant get passed the idea of white people having in group preferences, well, then Id hate to say it, but you're the old ideology burning out... not us. Its our time now, we get the next 50 years. The ideology that's dying off is the 60s revolution our parents shat upon us... the inevitable ping pong back. Its all cyclical. Its why we have hashtags like #thingsboomerssay or #boomercuck etc... because the smug self congratulation and cultural marxism they injected into society has run its course. Its seeped into all the powers of state and corporations. Its mainstream... but society is ever pingponging, its our turn now, but our ideas will outlive their usefulness once we have done what must be done. And then it will ping pong back again.
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Isn't dark Messiah a history major, I'm a mass communication major
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Old 08-08-17   #51
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I am.

It's mostly talking about communism, although I did intend it for other things.

I am trying to figure out if I want to go to grad school rn, and if so for what specifically.
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Or I mean, I'm happy to talk about communism, but I mean I intended the thread more for sort of everything going on in life, updates etc..
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I'm hijacking to report that I just returned from Paris. I drank lots of coffee and smoked many cigarettes. I also bought shoes. They're pretty.

DM, why are you so conflicted about grad school? No malice intended.
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