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Old 08-21-01   #61
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I know. Most of the stories in the bible can be found in other religions also, slightly altered. I n humble opinion, the Bible is simply as big, old fairytalebook. The stories are pretty, but about as accurate as the story of Snowwhite. That story has a shred of truth too, but it is well-hidden.
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Old 08-22-01   #62
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Hmmm...why is it none of the really hardcore christians on this site has replied to this..?
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Old 08-25-01   #63
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I refuse to let this one die, dammit... Come on, all you christians out there, I dare you!
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Old 08-25-01   #64
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Yep, what I said. It is a huge conspiracy. The thing about bowing down to humans, what a lark. God is a jealous God. Everyone bows down to God and has no other idols. It is in the Bible a few times. Exodios and Dueteronomy both clearify the Commandments. The Torah or first five section of the Bible are very clear about the distinctions. Even in Genisus, people were punished for being unclean. Abram and Sarah were Brother and Sister. They never bore young until God permitted it. A special deal. The Devil is also supposed to be gifted with the ability to understand the hearts of man. Conicidence. . . . doubtfull.
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Hehehe...Thanks for the input there, abby, however paranoid it was... I'll post a more intelligent reply to that once I've gotten some sleep and my brain starts working again...
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Old 08-26-01   #68
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Set... God of ancient Egypt, he who commands winds and storm,warlike god, born of Ra who protected him from the evil serpent and yet who slew Osiris as a serpent.
Set appears with red hair and red eyes, the egyptian color of evil.The christian Satan has red eyes and red skin. Set came to be seen as the personification of evil in ancient Egypt and was ruler of the desert, christ went into the desert and met the devil.Set appeared as a Typhonian animal with a curving snout and tufted tail, the christian devil is seen as a composite creature with a strange tail. Set was associated with pigs, jews don't eat pigs.
The horns of Satan, added to demonize the prevalent sexually based animal worshipping cults that persisted in europe.
Set rode in the boat of Ra to protect Ra but was also cast out into the Stars of the Great Bear "how thou art fallen from heaven O Lucifer son of the morning", just as the stars fall from the sky each day.
Set threatened Ra each day and Ra ordered him chased away that Ra might make the divine dawn.
Just a different take on the subject.
I like your Promethian theory Clearwitch.
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Are you an actual Setian bye the way Set? They have a slightly different view of him at the ToS, he is not exactly evil, more a symbol of "isolate and selfish intelligence". The murder of Osiris is a symbol of the death of stagnation and the victory of evolution. Set is seen as the archetype of a self-made God, the Word of His AEon is Xeper - "I have come into being"...
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Couldn't think of anything better to say at the moment...
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I refuse to let this one die, dammit... Come on, all you christians out there, I dare you!
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Old 12-11-01   #72
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*sighs*

Can I help it that they refuse a challenge..?
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I'd take up your challenge, but I'm kind of biased...
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I have a feeling you might be, yes...besides, didn't you reply last round? Of course, things change...dive in, hunnie...
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That's the bibical version. The historical reason...
Christians needed to convert "heathens" from their patheon, so they took the deitys they worshipped, and either turned them into saints or devils(St.Brigid and the Horned God)just a few examples. They then built their churches on the "heathen's" places of worship, burned those who defied them and then after several years of destroying their practices, literature and language, they were successfully converted. The process was repeated many times, most recently with the invasion of the Natives just a few hundred years ago, right here in America: literature versus history. Both are written by; victors, dreamer, and conquerers.
I don't remeber what I was responding to, but I still agree with myself
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Unfortunately, I agree too...that doesn't make for much of a discussion...let's hope someone with a different viewpoint picks up the glove...
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Old 12-13-01   #77
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Off track a little:

...I believe that God chose to make an equal, an opposite...so that humans could have a choice between him and Satan...
Too bad it backfired a little, eh?

As for satan and Lucifur being two different beings, this is possible...I mean, why else were they given two names?
(Hell, my arguments are weak, I know...!)
But that only applies if you believe in God, Satan, and the whole deal...

But anyway, to go off-track a little; my friend wrote a short-story which raised and interesting point which is sort of related to this...
As Satan was once an angel; through heriditary, his son, the antichrist, will actually be good...and not evil.
"If you cut off a mouse's tail, it's children won't also have missing tails..."

I dunno, what do you guys think>? :p
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But how can you tell he will be good? Was Lucifer ever truly good? He was unique, magnificent, but good..?
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And that depends on whether you believe in predestiny or not - if you do, then Satan (God's Angel turned Devil) was never good at all, and in turning on God was merely showing his evil. If you don't though, some event could have caused a change in him - i.e. the creation of Man, which turned him from Go[o]d.
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