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Old 03-07-12   #981
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Planets evolve differently based on many different values dipshit. Jupiter is NOT UNIQUE, large gas planets are actually very common in occurrence through out the galaxy. We have found more large gaseous planets so far because they are the easiest to spot. We have found a few earthlike planets. Soon, since we have even better equipment, we will have more information on other solar systems which will shed light on ours.

Shit, according to your asshat progenitors that came before the Earth was flat, until proven false by scientists, upon which your ilk had to finally accept the truth.

You are a liar, with a very evil agenda.

Oh yeah, Walt Brown is still full of shit- Answers In Creation, and The Christian American Scientific Affiliation, both creationist christian groups have put up materials debunking Walt Brown. These are people OF THE SAME FAITH!!!!
Also, Walt there avoids ANY and ALL debates, he has even ducked out of a couple and ran away with whatever monies he was payed. Basically the guy is a false prophet if you buy into that bullshit.

So keep posting his crap, it is ALL LIES!!!
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But, aliens.
You do not buy into extra terrestrial life?? We already found evidence of dead alien life.

It is only a matter of time.
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Alien life? Sure. Alien life advanced enough to travel across vast distances of space to observe us from afar, never making contact, and secretly influence our societies without us ever noticing? Frankly, God seems more realistic.
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Strange Planets 2

According to these evolutionary theories:

Backward-Spinning Planets. All planets should spin in the same direction, but Venus, Uranus (c), and Pluto rotate backwards (d).

Backward Orbits. Each of the almost 200 known moons in the solar system should orbit its planet in the same direction, but more than 30 have backward orbits (e). Furthermore, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune have moons orbiting in both directions.

Tipped Orbits:

Moons. The orbit of each of these moons should lie very near the equatorial plane of the planet it orbits, but many, including the Earth’s moon, are in highly inclined orbits (f).

Planets. The orbital planes of the planets should lie in the equatorial plane of the Sun. Instead, the orbital planes of the planets typically deviate from the Sun’s equatorial plane by 7 degrees, a significant amount.

Angular Momentum. The Sun should have about 700 times more angular momentum than all the planets combined. Instead, the planets have 50 times more angular momentum than the Sun (g).

c. Uranus’ spin axis is “tilted” 98°. In other words, Uranus spins on its side and slightly backwards. Evolutionists have incorrectly speculated that Uranus must have been tipped over by a giant impact. However, such an impact would not have changed the orbital planes of Uranus’ larger moons, which are also “tipped over.”

d. The Astronomical Almanac for the Year 2003 (Washington D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 2003), p. F2.

e. For more information on the battles among astronomers concerning Pluto’s planetary status, see Laurence A. Marschall and Stephen P. Maran, Pluto Confidential (Dallas, Texas: Benbella Books, Inc., 2009). Thousands of professional astronomers will not abide by the IAU’s stealthy vote and will continue to consider Pluto a planet.

f.Ibid.

g. Ibid.

The Moon’s orbital plane is inclined 18.5° – 28.5° to the Earth’s equatorial plane. (Actually, the Moon’s orbital plane precesses between those values over an 18.6-year cycle.) This is a considerable inclination when one recognizes that the Moon possesses 82.9% of the angular momentum of the Earth-Moon system. No other planet-satellite system comes close to this amount.

Theories that for centuries claimed to show how the Moon evolved can now be rejected because of this fact alone. A more recent theory claims that a Mars-size body collided with the early Earth and kicked up debris that formed the Moon. Ward and Canup acknowledge that:

“Recent models of this process predict that the orbit of the newly formed Moon should be in, or very near, [less than 1°] the Earth’s equatorial plane.” William R. Ward and Robin M. Canup, “Origin of the Moon’s Orbital Inclination from Resonant Disk Interactions,” Nature, Vol. 403, 17 February 2000, p. 741.

Nevertheless, speculative ways to circumvent this problem continue to be suggested. Even if some theory could explain the Moon’s high orbital inclination and angular momentum, other problems remain. [See “Origin of the Moon” http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...tml#wp1020197]

h. Lyttleton, p. 16.

Fred Hoyle, The Cosmology of the Solar System (Hillside, New Jersey: Enslow Publishers, 1979), pp. 11–12.

“One of the detailed problems is then to explain how the Sun itself acquires nearly 99.9% of the mass of the solar system but only 2% of its angular momentum.” Frank D. Stacey, Physics of the Earth (New York: John Wiley & Sons, 1969), p. 4.

Some have proposed transferring angular momentum from the sun to the planets by “magnetic linking.” McCrea states:

“However, I scarcely think it has yet been established that the postulated processes would inevitably occur, or that if they did they would operate with the extreme efficiency needed in order to achieve the required distribution of angular momentum.” William Hunter McCrea, “Origin of the Solar System,” Symposium on the Origin of the Solar System (Paris, France: Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, 1972), p. 8.



Figure 23: Saturn and Six of Its Moons. Saturn has 60 known moons. One of them, named Phoebe, has an orbit almost perpendicular to Saturn’s equator. This is difficult for evolutionist astronomers to explain.

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]
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Strange Planets 3

Is Pluto a Planet?

In 2006, after years of internal debate, 4% of the members of the International Astronomical Union (IAU)—those meeting in Prague—to no longer call Pluto a planet. Instead, they said voted Pluto is a transneptunian object (i).

The IAU had no jurisdiction to change the definition of “planet” for the rest of the world. It is fine for an organization to tell others what it considers a word to mean, but common usage is the basis for definitions. Our language is filled with scientific words whose meanings have changed based on new discoveries and broader understandings. Few meanings have changed based on an organization’s vote.

Since Pluto’s discovery 76 years earlier, Pluto has been a thorn in the side of astronomers trying to explain how planets evolve, because so many characteristics of Pluto do not fit into evolutionary scenarios. No longer calling Pluto a planet (even though it is spherical, has three known moons, and orbits the Sun in the right direction) may reduce those man-made problems, but now calls attention to the more difficult question of how a thousand transneptunian objects evolved.

In 1930, after astronomers had been searching for a suspected ninth planet for 25 years, a tenacious farm boy from Kansas, Clyde W. Tombaugh (1906–1997), discovered Pluto. He later became one of my favorite professors. Going to his backyard to use his handmade 9-inch telescope was memorable. Professor Tombaugh was a warm, unpretentious man with the biggest smile you have ever seen. However, in class, he sometimes became irate at astronomers who made pronouncements but seldom touched a telescope.

Classification can be a useful tool, but at other times it leads to endless arguments, because the world (or, in this case, the solar system) is usually more complicated than theories imply. We can call Pluto anything we wish, but tens of thousands of books and hundreds of millions of students have called Pluto a planet.

What is a planet? Its original meaning was “wandering star.” I will always associate Pluto with Clyde Tombaugh and the worldwide excitement of finally discovering the ninth planet. For historical reasons, if nothing else, I suspect that millions of others will continue to call Pluto a planet as well as a transneptunian object.

Semantics aside, the scientific question remains: how could Pluto evolve?

i. Far more astronomers and planetary scientists quickly signed a petition opposing the IAU’s vote. They said:

“We, as planetary scientists and astronomers, do not agree with the IAU’s definition of a planet, nor will we use it.”

Jenny Hogan, “Pluto: The Backlash Begins,” Nature, Vol. 442, 31 August 2006, pp. 965.

A transneptunian object is a body that orbits the Sun—usually beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, about 30 astronomical units, or 2.8 billion miles, from the Sun.

Contributing to the IAU’s decision to remove Pluto’s status as a planet was its small size (two-thirds the diameter of our moon) and the discovery, beginning in 1992, of what are now more than a thousand transneptunian objects, at least two of which are larger than Pluto. All are much farther from the Sun than Pluto.

A simple fix for the IAU would have been to define transneptunian objects as those bodies that always orbit the Sun beyond the orbit of Neptune. (Pluto’s orbit sometimes comes inside that of Neptune.) Also, an honest acknowledgement that all planets are unique would have clarified matters. Even the many planets that have been discovered outside the solar system are completely different from those inside the solar system. Evolutionary process will not explain them all.

[See Have Planets Been Discovered Outside the Solar System? ]

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]
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Alien life? Sure. Alien life advanced enough to travel across vast distances of space to observe us from afar, never making contact, and secretly influence our societies without us ever noticing? Frankly, God seems more realistic.
We went to the moon in the span of about 40 years. If another civilization were to have a 1 Billion year leap ahead of us their science would make Pahu think that they were god and his angels come down from heaven.


And I think we notice alrighty, reports of strange things in the sky date to the beginning of all of our recorded histories, hence us noticing.

If god seems like a more realistic explanation please join Pahus ignorant bandwagon, he has banjoes and some overalls if you need
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Oh, Pahu, anyone with that billion year technological leap start on us would probably be able to move moon size objects if they wanted too. I prefer a scientific explanation, one that might be a little on the science fiction side, to one that limits itself to a man in a robe with a white beard.
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However, in class, he sometimes became irate at astronomers who made pronouncements but seldom touched a telescope.
That from Walt there within Pahus post. Hmmm, do you think Walt should listen to the Professor here. In a differing words but ultimately the exact same context!! I think the only bone Walt has ever touched was probably his own
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We went to the moon in the span of about 40 years. If another civilization were to have a 1 Billion year leap ahead of us their science would make Pahu think that they were god and his angels come down from heaven.


And I think we notice alrighty, reports of strange things in the sky date to the beginning of all of our recorded histories, hence us noticing.

If god seems like a more realistic explanation please join Pahus ignorant bandwagon, he has banjoes and some overalls if you need

Hey now, I actually own a banjo, and am a big bluegrass fan. Stop your filthy stereotyping.
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Hey now, I actually own a banjo, and am a big bluegrass fan. Stop your filthy stereotyping.
How about an old Ford pick up? And a trailer full of hay?? And a soul full of Jesus!!!!
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Earth: The Water Planet 1

The amount of water on Earth greatly exceeds that known on or within any other planet in the solar system. Liquid water, which is essential for life to survive, has unique and amazing properties; it covers 70% of Earth’s surface. Where did all Earth’s water come from?

If the Earth and solar system evolved from a swirling cloud of dust and gas, almost no water would reside near Earth’s present orbit. Any water (liquid or ice) that close to the Sun would vaporize and be blown by solar wind to the outer reaches of the solar system (a), as we see happening with water vapor in the tails of comets.

a. “Earth has substantially more water than scientists would expect to find at a mere 93 million miles from the sun.” Ben Harder, “Water for the Rock: Did Earth’s Oceans Come from the Heavens?” Science News, Vol. 161, 23 March 2002, p. 184.

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That one is weak. Water is actually pretty abundant everywhere, just frozen, or locked in bedrock.


http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=204
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My friend had one of those, it sounded like a thunder storm when he would drive up lol
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You do not buy into extra terrestrial life?? We already found evidence of dead alien life.

It is only a matter of time.
No, I don't, but if you want to turn this thread into dueling crackpots I would be happy.
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Oh, Pahu, anyone with that billion year technological leap start on us would probably be able to move moon size objects if they wanted too. I prefer a scientific explanation, one that might be a little on the science fiction side, to one that limits itself to a man in a robe with a white beard.
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No, I don't, but if you want to turn this thread into dueling crackpots I would be happy.
Let's be clear, are you saying you don't believe in extraterrestrial life period? Or intelligent extra terrestrial life? I find the probability of there not being life somewhere else in the universe to be very very small. Intelligent life much less so. Intelligent life lucky enough to locate us, and smart enough to come here undetected way way wayyyy less so.
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Earth: The Water Planet 2


Did comets or meteorites deliver Earth’s water? Although comets contain considerable water (b), comets did not provide much of the Earth’s water, because comet water contains too much heavy hydrogen, relatively rare in Earth’s oceans. Comets also contain too much argon. If comets provided only 1% of Earth’s water, then our atmosphere should have 400 times more argon than it does (c). The few types of meteorites that contain water
also have too much heavy hydrogen (d). [Pages 278–333 [http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...tml#wp1069425] explain why comets and some types of meteorites contain so much water and heavy hydrogen. Pages 337–383 [http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...tml#wp7826136] explain why comets have so much argon. Heavy hydrogen is described on page 286 [http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...l#wp1230689].]

These observations have caused some to conclude that water was transported from the outer solar system to Earth by objects that no longer exist (e). If so, many of these “water tankers” should have collided with the other inner planets (Mercury, Venus, and Mars), producing water characteristics similar to those of Earth. In fact, their water characteristics are not like those of Earth (f). Instead of imagining “water tankers” that conveniently disappeared, perhaps we should ask if the Earth was created with its water already present.

a. “Earth has substantially more water than scientists would expect to find at a mere 93 million miles from the sun.” Ben Harder, “Water for the Rock: Did Earth’s Oceans Come from the Heavens?” Science News, Vol. 161, 23 March 2002, p. 184.

b. The water content of Comet Tempel 1 was 38% by mass. [See Endnote 4 on page 300 [http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...#wp15540965].]

c. “Hence, if comets like Hale-Bopp brought in the Earth’s water, they would have brought in a factor of 40,000 times more argon than is presently in the atmosphere.” T. D. Swindle and D. A. Kring, “Implications of Noble Gas Budgets for the Origin of Water on Earth and Mars,” Eleventh Annual V. M. Goldschmidt Conference, Abstract No. 3785 (Houston: Lunar and Planetary Institute, 20–24 May 2001). [To learn how comets probably collected argon, see Endnote 31 on page 302 [http://www.creationscience.com/onlin...l#wp1357192].]

d. “Oxygen, D/H and Os [osmium] isotopic ratios all...rule out extant meteoritic material as sources of the Earth’s water.” Michael J. Drake and Kevin Righter, “Determining the Composition of the Earth,” Nature, Vol. 416, 7 March 2002, p. 42.

D/H is the ratio of heavy hydrogen (also called deuterium, or D) to normal hydrogen (H). Drake and Righter give many other reasons why meteorites could not have provided much of Earth’s water.

e. “If existing objects in space couldn’t have combined to make Earth’s unique mix of water and other elements, the planet must have formed from—and entirely depleted—an ancient supply of water-rich material that has no modern analog, Drake and Righter argue.” Harder, p. 185.

f. “If water came from millions of comets or small asteroids, the same steady rain would have bombarded Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars, so they would all have begun with the same water characteristics, he says. However, the waters of those four planets now have dissimilar profiles, Owen and other geochemists have found.” Ibid.

After reading pages 278–333, you will see that the water in comets, asteroids, and meteoroids—as well as some water detected elsewhere in the inner solar system—came primarily from the subterranean water chambers. During the flood, this subterranean water mixed with Earth’s surface water, giving our surface water different isotope characteristics from water in comets, asteroids, and meteoroids.

“The carrier’s [the tanker’s] elemental and isotopic characteristics would have to have been unlike those of any object that researchers have yet found in the solar system....it doesn’t seem geochemically plausible...” Ibid., p. 186.

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Let's be clear, are you saying you don't believe in extraterrestrial life period? Or intelligent extra terrestrial life? I find the probability of there not being life somewhere else in the universe to be very very small. Intelligent life much less so. Intelligent life lucky enough to locate us, and smart enough to come here undetected way way wayyyy less so.

What if coming here to see the humans in the zoo was like an afternoon drive?? LOL

Anyway, no one can deny that life does exist elsewhere. Well, I suppose you can but the odds are against you. It does.

What I was trying to get across to Pahu was that where the facts begin to fail all we can do is postulate. We cannot BE CERTAIN of anything until we have all the facts. I am however very certain that some old guy in a robe did not create the whole vastness that is our reality, may as well attribute it all to Santa Claus!!

Any theorem that is supported by facts is far better than the lazy belief that some great being created everything. Evolution is that theorem, and a fine one at that.
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