I beg to differ you copied and pasted the whole thing, if you want I can prove you to be a liar or we can just agree to disagree, I am not here to prove you wrong or get into a heated discussion over the history of Jesus and the blip of the Celts. I merely replied to your nasty and malicious comments to me about something even now you seem to be clueless on. as far as telling me what I can say . you need not preach so strongly deary, for it was you throwing the insults first and from your post record you seem to insult almost everyone you engage. and I will speak what I feel to be the correct choice of words and you need to remember that you are in control of no one and have not the authority to command shit.

good day
Bless and be blessed

Lady Shannen

Do you know me ? No you don't I have books in my family featured in Sydney's History Museum dating back to my grandma's 5 generation's past. spell books, incantations, invocations, etc... you know not of what you speak, and you seem to put words in peoples mouth. I do not practice Modern age witchcraft or new generation craft, I practice to the fullest witchcraft, as a personal choice I chose not to practice the dark arts of witchcraft. are you a moron? you must because I am sure tired of repeating myself to the likes of you. but since your such an experienced reader I will tell you YET AGAIN WHAT I WROTE AND MAYBE IF I WRITE IT IN CAPS YOU'LL FINALLY GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said I believe everyone should choose their own path!!!!!!

and also if a set religion isn't right for them that they should try and combine faiths to create one that they acquire guidance in.

I NEVER SAID MY RELIGION WAS IN ANYWAY BETTER THEN ANYONE ELSES!!!!!
instead of trying to gain popularity points from your snotty remarks are your bitter attacks by trying to make me out to be this "holier then thou art" person . try accepting that you are an insufferable wannabe know it all whom in fact doesn't know shit. and you copy and paste ( changing a few words here and there) passing it off as your own opinion is just plain pathetic.

I never proclaimed to be anything other then what I am. THIS BLIP of the celts you speak of is insulting because I happen to attend gatherings for religious holiday's where a good number of people still practice the old ways. no money required, no bullshit to sell, so steal all the opinions you want because you can lie to us but you know the truth. I doubt highly that anyone would practice with you given the nature of person you are and that solitary witchery was all you could do in witchcraft. Priestess and priest have been around for quite some time so maybe when your flipping through those books you listed you can pick up on the fact that WITCH WAS ANOTHER NAME GIVEN TO HIGH PRIESTESS AND HIGH PRIEST ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OTHER RELIGION OTHER THEN CATHOLIC AND CHRISTIANITY !!!!!!

My point in the thread since your slow to understand, was the plague like spread IN MY OWN!!!!!! RELIGION and how the teaching have changed and the path diverted by people creating new religions when they read a verse or too of the old ways.

I find that Darkforum is a wonderful place to express yourself but much like the other sites there are people like you. whom are naturally mean and pissed off at the world for some reason. you are a waist of my time and a disgrace to humanity. you may post all you like in reply but you have been ignored due to stupidity, you have my best wishes with your much needed Anger Management and human decency courses.

Bless and be blessed

Lady Shannen

oh please, prove me a liar?

i left the references i've used, italicasized with quotes those taken directly from the author i have no fear of anything you may be accusing me of, i have no need to plaguerize the thoughts or writings of another, mine are rather spectacular in their own way, i have seven years of similiar internet replies on a wide variety of forums to verify my originality, and personal acquaintances to support my claims of original thought...either way, you still have not proven anything to support whatever you were trying to present in this thread?

[quote=Highpriestess29;1600062]what exactly is the celtic religion, how does witchcraft fit into it, where does it come from?

what are the "plague" religions, who decides, how do you know they are false, how can a person decide if it's a plague religion?

i studied witchcraft and agree with nothing you've said concerning it, so how can you be sure that all those who have an aspect of witchcraft in their life would agree with a bastardized version of monotheism, or anything else you've said, why can't it be, as many historically proven ancient religions have believed, each god or goddess being an individual incarnation, some actually started out human heroes.

are gods really one size fits all?

i was born into a catholic family, and come from a long line of roman catholics on one side of my family and presbyterian bible teachers that helped found the first presbyterian church in our town on the other side, who married into west virginian hillbillies and their fetish based witcheries, none of it ever made sense to me, until i started to learn for myself; so how can you speak for everyone who comes from those backgrounds? yes, i've been studying my family history to, i never knew we had a scottish clan tartan, but i now understand why i have freckles.

oh, and ying/yang are eastern religious concepts, not witchcraft...but many eastern religions predate witchcraft too...however, i would like to thank you for demonstrating everything about the occult that drove me to christianity, it's nice being reminded of such things to keep me on my newly chosen path, i can miss the drama being a witch can bring, particularly when trying to impress boys and charm devils, but that's a fetish of an entirely different sort...you still haven't proven any of your points.

my points are;

witchcraft is not limited by any one concept, nor is it some ancient art of the wise, there is no place in any history before that can prove that statement incorrect. Aspects of witchcraft can be found in the general occult world, demonology, ceremonialism, egyptianology, necromancy, scrying and even simon's necronomicon has some basis in history, choosing sumerian deities to write his book on; these aspects of witchcraft do have ancient histories...but witchcraft is as individual to the person practicing it, as it was to the person they were inspired from...example; my best friend is a first class wiccan, i influenced her with ted andrew's enchantment of the fairy realm book, neither of our current faiths reflect those original aspects at all, and that was just twenty years ago do you really believe that the religions of today are the same religions they were thousands of years ago and if so...can you prove it?

witchcraft is not a religion! that i can say with some confidence that most wiccans and witches would agree with me on, lord knows it was debated enough on occult forums.

knowing the factual history of one's faith, including the society, culture and even political influences involved in it's creation can put it into persepective much more efficiently than preachers, prophets or priest/esses, that answer with vague hints of gleaned wisdom...what is the history of your faith, beyond your family passed on traditions, what was the culture that inspired it?

i can agree those are important, but i do not agree with any idea that one form of faith is more valid than another based on personal experience versus factual discoveries...as few as they may be, regardless of your view on your replies, suggesting any religion as being a "plague" is not a very exempliary way to present yours, is that what you teach any students you come across?

i won't answer how to apply any aspect of the occult, including witchcraft into a life, it's no longer the way i choose to live mine, but in the same token why should i let people perpetrate the myth that it's older than it really is...

i gave up that life, but that's no reason to allow others to be fooled into believing things about it that just aren't based in established fact about an art that has no, limitations or ownership by any one faith or religion.

if it works well in your life, that's good for you, but even the wiccan rede advises one to designate if they are speaking for themselves, as a witch; rather than the whole, I question any one who tries to speak on behalf of a whole, i want to see credentials for dictating my faith and preaching the faith of others; if i see something i disagree with or that doesn't make sense, i will point out why i disagree with it, and question what makes no sense, in this case, witchcraft is not a religion and has not been one in any ancient history and how you can deem what religions are false and which are not?

christianity keeps coming up because, i am a christian, that now dictates my spiritual opinions, you were the first to bring the christian faith and history into the discussion, and as a representative, felt compelled to reply to your dribble, and further considering that on some level it was the roman catholic church that was most influential in defining witchcraft with her inquistions, what do you define a witch as?

just to clarify things...on topic.

it's nice to see someone's learning academic history, that i can admire in a person no matter their reasons.

having grown disenchanted with the entire concept as it no longer reflected what i learned it as, but what it had become, i found another path that answered questions and needs i was seeking.

oh yes, i'm consistantly questioning my beliefs and have discovered a wealth of suprise knowledges in my searches no, unfortunately many do not, but i know a few who do

presented with something more practically sound, according to an impractical perception of needing something more, when i already have everything. i was allowed to understand on my own, rather than having conflicting ideals impressed upon me, that i don't agree with or understand.
oh yes, it's been tested for two thousand years, and is still standing.

For the interesting questions:
since when can science explain faith? yeah... well yes, it was developed in the present time by gerald gardner, made a bit more popular by sybil leek in the late seventies and early eighties and is now a household word i'm leaning toward inspired creation, i can see the development of man, at least in the tribal sense from prehistoric cave dwellers to an entire history of civilizations, with new discoveries everyday...but there's no proof for the primordial ooze sparking with life, on some lucky whim of fate, something had to snap It's fingers, genesis however still requires some research.

depends on the witch
very little about wicca or witchcraft have any founding in any centuries or millenia, and the god/deses of today are just photocopies of the original forms...but i guess witchcraft can be traced back to being about a century old, but that ideal was inspired by christianized judaic thought, made most famous by the inquisitions perpetrated by the roman catholic churches, giving birth to demonlogy as it's now known.
depends on the god/dess
i believe there is
whatever their God teaches them.
the mists of prehistory

How is "fullest witchcraft" different from modern witchcraft? Sounds to me like you are just trying to be better than those who practice regular old wiccanism.
5 generations would take you back to about the mid-1800s. Please list those titles that are listed in the Sydney Museum. I would be interested in seeing what it is that you are professing as the end all be all of wicca

This thread makes me giggle.

a good giggle or a bad giggle?

a man giggle just sort of concerns me, but a chortle i could see.

OK! my Ledy!
Naesianin

I NEVER PROCLAIMED WICCA TO END AS IT WAS FOUNDED IN 1957 AND IS STILL CONSIDERED TO BE A NEW RELIGION, I WAS SIMPLY STATING SOMETHING THAT JORDYN HAD SAID ABOUT THE BLIP OF THE CELTS ONLY LASTING A FEW HUNDRED YEARS, I REPLIED BY INFORMING HER THAT THE CELTIC RELIGION IS NOT A BLIP AND IS STILL WIDELY PRACTICED TODAY.
please read I said my GRANDMOTHERS 5 GENERATIONS PAST WHICH PLACES THESE BOOKS IN THE EARLY 1500'S AND THAT I PRACTICE WITCHCRAFT TO "IT'S" FULLEST. WICCA IS A DIFFERENT RELIGION THEN WHAT i PRACTICE AND i REPEAT YET AGAIN THAT i DOWN NO OTHER RELIGION AND IN NO WAY FEEL MYSELF BETTER THEN ANYONE ELSE OR THAT MY RELIGION IS HOLIER THEN ANY OTHER RELIGION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW CLEARER I CAN BE ABOUT THIS. I CONSIDER THIS TOPIC CLOSED AS FOR REFERENCE OF MY FAMILY'S BOOKS, I AM NOT IN THE HABIT OF RELEASING MY ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, AND FAMILY'S NAME OVER THE INTERNET TO COMPLETE STRANGERS. AS I HAVE ENCOUNTERED QUITE A FEW LIKE JORDYN AND IT WOULD BE A POOR DECISION ON MY PART IN INVITE THAT KIND OF TROUBLE INTO MY LIFE. IN GIVING THAT INFO I WOULD BE GIVING ACCESS TO THE ABOVE INFORMATION

HOWEVER YOUR MORE THEN WELCOME TO DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF, AND FEEL FREE TO CONTACT THE HIGH COUNSEL OF ORDAINED WITCHERY OF THE CELTIC DOMAIN MAYBE THEY CAN HELP YOU IN YOUR REFERENCE BUT BEWARE THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE DISRESPECT AN CAN EASILY SPOT SARCASM I KNOW FOR I HOLD A CHAIR ON THE COUNSEL.

GOOD DAY AND GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH I WISH YOU NOTHING BUT THE BEST

BLESS AND BE BLESSED

LADY SHANNEN

Next time there is no reason to scream your reply. It is childish. I am amazed you can hold a position in any council when your patience is so limited.

All I asked for is a title to these books. Although i highly doubt the authenticity of your statement due to your brash and angry reply.

Any person who truly believes would jump at the chance to defend thier beliefs. I am saddened that you could not be a bit more adult about this matter and discuss it with aplomb.

No one asked for your address and I think it hardly matters as I will never be setting foot in Australia

Historical time line of the Celts

i guess it depends on what country the keltoi came from...but generally for the brittish celts their given the time 300-600 bc...as the height of the culture, before they were still meddling with the gaels and picts in northern europe and by the end there were so many other culutres involved, that there's no way to say for sure where the keltoi went, what celtic religion are you talking about specifically, i believe right now their most dominating are protestantism and roman catholicism.

you may have to help us figure out who exactly who you are on the coucil of...

HIGH COUNSEL OF ORDAINED WITCHERY OF THE CELTIC DOMAIN - Google Search

there's nothing beyond literature references there, but these guys are pretty impressive

The Druid Grove - The Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids but they're honest about what they are...they're clear about what specific celtic religion they are practicing even...

you still haven't clarified anything proving that i'm a liar, a moron or any of the other accusations you've presented...the case is not closed when you come in make unfounded claims, call a person a liar and a moron than resort to child like tactics rather than explaining yourself further...you're a hack!

and i still have no proof that anything you've said is true, i can keep coming up with links and books though to verify that the keltic culture, as it's glamorized today was really an insignificant amount of time in the world of religions, that there is no one true pure celtic religion, and that you're claim to ancient witchcraft is no more valid than any other trendy twit's; but i'm using forms of verification anyone, anywhere can access...and not conveniently hiding behind a claim to privacy on the internet, surely a link to this museum would at leaast be available on the internet...

Australian Museum Online - Research

so would the witchcraft books be under earth science or envrionmental science, maybe herpetology in your world?

oh and the 1500's, not that ancient that either...

A History of Witchcraft Persecutions

or do you prefer to run into battle stark naked, bleached white and using your bravado before your blade?

the bravado isn't working and you should reconsider your sword....i think you need to go back to your celtic school, what country are you in?

you don't seem so irish, scottish or english, they're cleverly fun folk and you're just not making any sense.

It is sad that most often when a persons beliefs are questioned they answer with hostile retaliation and childish petulance. No one here said that she is a bad person and yet we are all evil because we like to question things. The hypocrisy of her statements alone provide enough doubt as to her beliefs.

I asked for the title of the books. If they are on record in Sydney you should have NO problem listing these titles. Your inability to do so is because you lied. There are no books. Please prove me wrong and list the titles. I would be intrigued to learn more.

if you were to reference my family's books then you would also gain access to the living owner's information, which is offered at the museum should people seek addition information on the artifacts, I have nothing to gain and surely no reason to lie.

it is human nature to question things, and you are not evil in asking your questions. however when you reply in a negative way, it is only natural to defend what you write especially when you know you meant no harm in your statements. you sir, failed to read correctly what I had written, hence the negative response. Jordyn was out right snotty from the start, she felt the need to try discredit me when all I did was reply to someones need for understanding.

I ask you to please read carefully and show respect to everyone as you would have them show respect to you. when you mis-quote what someone says and in doing so miss the point entirely, sure you would get annoyed when it keeps happening.

and if you wanted the information so bad, there aren't that many books on the subject on display, roll up your sleeves and do some dirty work.


Bless and Be Bless

Lady Shannen

I have made a decision...

I noticed quite a few people having problems with the same people on here over and over again, Dyshade and Jordyn being amongst the top.

I thought it was just me, but did a little research and it seems a lot of people have left Darkforum for the same reasons I am deleting my account.

if people like dyshade help run this site? then I feel stupid for being a member, especially when he is full of bologna, I find him childish and full of himself jordyn doesn't seem to be much different so this leads to only one conclusion this site promotes bullies, and mean natured people who like to maliciously attack people to make themselves seem smarter.

If this is how you treat your new comers, then I understand why so many have left and I am just another name added to the list. I will not only block this site but send out a warning on the net, informing people not to waist their time here.

I hope you get exactly what you deserve in life and nothing more
Bless and be blessed

Well that is extremely childish. You do know that when you tell people that it is taboo they become curious??