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redWOOD · **>why Usa Don't Retire From Iraq? -** 11-22-05

Why This Will Stop All Deaths And Haters

Iraqis Dont Want Americans There

Why Bush?

Why Usa Ppl Dont Want War

Why Usa Ppl Don Go To Streets To Retire Usa Trops

What Is The Point?

Why Usa Dont Invasion Other Coutrys With Dictators?

Why Have To Be The Iraq?

Billy the Kidd · 11-22-05

Because if we leave Iraq becomes another Iran ruled by muslims fanatics bent on nuking israel and the USA.

Shadowborn · 11-22-05

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Why This Will Stop All Deaths And Haters

No, it won't.

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Iraqis Dont Want Americans There

Trust me, if they all didn't want us there, there are enough of them that they could make us leave. Trust me, if the majority of Iraqis really enjoyed having Saddam as their leader, they'd have kept us from getting in in the first place.

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Why Bush?

Because 51% of America was that damn stupid.

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Why Usa Ppl Dont Want War

Because despite all the cock-jocking and chest-beating, the vast majority of human beings really don't like war. It sucks.

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Why Usa Ppl Don Go To Streets To Retire Usa Trops

They have jobs, and families to feed. There are plenty of people who oppose the war, and do so through letters to newspapers, congressmen, and so forth. The only people who have the time and inclination for the whole civil disobedience thing are kids, riff-raff, and college students who don't mind skipping classes for a good protest.

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What Is The Point?

Oil.

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Why Usa Dont Invasion Other Coutrys With Dictators?

No oil. C'mon, take a political science class. Or, put down the bong and pick up a dictionary and look up "national interest."

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Why Have To Be The Iraq?

See "oil." Oh, and it continues the Bush legacy vs. Hussein.

Billy the Kidd · 11-22-05

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Originally Posted by Shadowborn

No, it won't.

Trust me, if they all didn't want us there, there are enough of them that they could make us leave. Trust me, if the majority of Iraqis really enjoyed having Saddam as their leader, they'd have kept us from getting in in the first place.

Because 51% of America was that damn stupid.

Because despite all the cock-jocking and chest-beating, the vast majority of human beings really don't like war. It sucks.

They have jobs, and families to feed. There are plenty of people who oppose the war, and do so through letters to newspapers, congressmen, and so forth. The only people who have the time and inclination for the whole civil disobedience thing are kids, riff-raff, and college students who don't mind skipping classes for a good protest.

Oil.

No oil. C'mon, take a political science class. Or, put down the bong and pick up a dictionary and look up "national interest."

See "oil." Oh, and it continues the Bush legacy vs. Hussein.

Oil really? then why have gas prices gone up?

thefr0g · 11-23-05

If we left Iraq it would be in far worse condition than it was when we got there, and American security would be under a far larger threat than it was when we got there. However, if we stay the course, we have a chance of giving the Iraqi people decent lives, and protecting our own interests as well.

Soldiers are dying, and thats a terrible thing. But those soldiers would be very disappointed indeed to learn that their brothers who have already passed have died for nothing. I hate war as much as any liberal (which I'm ashamed to admit I am), but I'm no fool. We have to finish what we have started.

Shadowborn · 11-23-05

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Oil really? then why have gas prices gone up?

You're looking at the short term, and gas prices have dropped nearly 50 cents in the last three months, by the way.

Long term, what we've got as the end result of all this is a democratic ally in the Middle East sitting on a whole shitpot of oil...tell me that isn't a goal worthy of natural interest, and I'll call you a liar...and a blind one at that.

Synikul · 11-27-05

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You're looking at the short term, and gas prices have dropped nearly 50 cents in the last three months, by the way.

Long term, what we've got as the end result of all this is a democratic ally in the Middle East sitting on a whole shitpot of oil...tell me that isn't a goal worthy of natural interest, and I'll call you a liar...and a blind one at that.

You're right about the oil. The problem is that no politician can just come out and say that, because "no war for oil" makes sense, in a superficial way. That is mainly because of the ignorance of many Americans who don't have an accurate appreciation of just how much oil affects every little thing they do every day, and their safety.

Synikul · 11-27-05

This is why we stay in Iraq. These people are able to say it better than I can. Sorry for the massive cut and paste opinions.

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One Marine's words

I don't know if the war in Iraq is ultimately unwinnable, but what I do know makes me skeptical of those who say so.

I do know that since Vietnam, liberals have viewed every exercise of American military power (with the exception of those undertaken by Bill Clinton) as preludes to disaster. The very first question Ronald Reagan was asked at his first presidential press conference concerned El Salvador. The question: Did he think it was going to turn into another Vietnam? Democrats invoked Vietnam with every other sentence during the long and nasty controversy about aiding the resistance in Nicaragua. More recently, just days into the Afghanistan war, The New York Times ran a front-page lament calling that conflict a new "quagmire."

Liberals seem always to believe that America will lose its wars, and when it doesn't, that it should.

It is obviously deeply painful to contemplate the more than 2,000 American dead, and many others gravely injured in Iraq. And charities like Fisher House (www.fisherhouse.org) welcome concrete demonstrations of Americans' concern for military families. But one does not sense that members of the military share the belief so widespread in the press and Congress that the Iraq war is going very badly and that the original decision to fight was a mistake.

One Marine, Sgt. Todd Bowers, who did two tours in Iraq, described the attitude of many press types. "They didn't want to talk to us." Why? I asked. "Because we were gung-ho for the mission." Bowers, who was saved from grievous injury when a bullet lodged in the sight of his rifle (a sight his father had purchased for him), is chary about the press.

In his first tour, he noticed that members of the press were reluctant to photograph Iraqis laughing, giving the thumbs up sign, or cheering. Yet Bowers saw plenty that would have made fine snapshots. In Baghdad, Al Kut and Al-Nasiriyah, Bowers reported no signs of anti-American feeling at all among Iraqis.

Fallujah, of course, was different, as the city was a hotbed of terrorism, and the battle of Fallujah was one of the fiercest engagements of the war. During the battle, Bowers found himself sharing a ride with an embedded reporter for the AP. He was asked what he thought of the destruction. Bowers responded that it was "Incredible, overwhelming. But it definitely had to be done." He also stressed that because the enemy had fought so dirty, tough calls had to be made. Later, he saw himself quoted in newspapers around the country to the effect that the destruction was "overwhelming" as if he could not cope. He had also made some anodyne remarks about rebuilding the damaged areas of the city, and responded "Where to begin?" when asked about the plans. He was speaking of the water treatment plants, medical facilities, and schools American forces were about to help build, but his comments were offered as evidence of the futility of the situation -- the very opposite of this eager Marine's intent.

There was plenty of progress to report, if the press had been interested. When the battle of Fallujah was over, the Marines set up a humanitarian relief station in an abandoned amusement park. Together with Iraqis locally hired and trained for the purpose and with an assist from the Iraqi ministry of the interior, they distributed rice, flour, medical supplies, baby formula, and other necessities to thousands of Iraqis. For six weeks, Bowers reports, the distribution went beautifully, "like a well-oiled machine." Not worth a story, apparently. Only when something went wrong did the press see something worth reporting. A small group of Iraqis were turned away from the food distribution point, though they had been waiting in line for hours. They were given vouchers and told they could come to the front of the line the next morning when supplies would be replenished. These few unhappy souls were then besieged by press types eager to tell their story.

At the same site, the Marines had repaired an old Ferris wheel. The motor was dead, but when two Marines pushed and pulled by hand they could get the thing turning to give rides to the children of the Iraqi employees. They did so for hours on end. A photographer from a large American media company watched impassively. "Why don't you take a picture of this?" demanded one Marine. The photographer snorted, "That's not my job."

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...25/176731.html

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A word from Col. Repya

We've written here several times about Minnesota's Lt. Col. Joe Repya, who volunteered to return to active duty for service in Iraq at age 59. Joe's previous service includes command of a rifle platoon in Vietnam and flying helicopters in the first Gulf War.

Joe is a classic citizen patriot and activist. He first came to public attention in March 2003 when, disturbed by the anti-war campaign mounted by Minnesota liberals, he arranged for the production of lawn signs saying "Liberate Iraq -- Support Our Troops." His effort garnered a lot of publicity, and Joe eventually distributed 30,000 signs.

Today he writes:

Two weeks ago, as I was starting my sixth month of duty in Iraq, I was forced to return to the USA for surgery for an injury I sustained prior to my deployment. With luck, I'll return to Iraq in January to finish my tour. I left Baghdad and a war that has every indication that we are winning, to return to a demoralized country much like the one I returned to in 1971 after my tour in Vietnam. Maybe it's because I'll turn 60 years old in just four months, but I'm tired:

I'm tired of spineless politicians, both Democrat and Republican who lack the courage, fortitude, and character to see these difficult tasks through.

I'm tired of the hypocrisy of politicians who want to rewrite history when the going gets tough.

I'm tired of the disingenuous clamor from those that claim they "Support the Troops" by wanting them to "Cut and Run" before victory is achieved.

I'm tired of a mainstream media that can only focus on car bombs and casualty reports because they are too afraid to leave the safety of their hotels to report on the courage and success our brave men and women are having on the battlefield.

I'm tired that so many American's think you can rebuild a dictatorship into a democracy over night.

I'm tired that so many ignore the bravery of the Iraqi people to go to the voting booth and freely elect a Constitution and soon a permanent Parliament.

I'm tired of the so called "Elite Left" that prolongs this war by giving aid and comfort to our enemy, just as they did during the Vietnam War.

I'm tired of anti-war protesters showing up at the funerals of our fallen soldiers. A family who's loved ones gave their life in a just and noble cause, only to be cruelly tormented on the funeral day by cowardly protesters is beyond shameful.

I'm tired that my generation, the Baby Boom - Vietnam generation, who have such a weak backbone that they can't stomach seeing the difficult tasks through to victory.

I'm tired that some are more concerned about the treatment of captives then they are the slaughter and beheading of our citizens and allies.

I'm tired that when we find mass graves it is seldom reported by the press, but mistreat a prisoner and it is front page news.

Mostly, I'm tired that the people of this great nation didn't learn from history that there is no substitute for Victory.

Sincerely,

Joe Repya
Lieutenant Colonel
U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/012337.php

sephardic-male · 12-23-05

the media here is making thier jobs harder

Billy the Kidd · 12-23-05

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Originally Posted by Shadowborn

You're looking at the short term, and gas prices have dropped nearly 50 cents in the last three months, by the way.

Long term, what we've got as the end result of all this is a democratic ally in the Middle East sitting on a whole shitpot of oil...tell me that isn't a goal worthy of natural interest, and I'll call you a liar...and a blind one at that.

LOL gas prices are still over 2 dollars in most places. Compare that to 3 years ago when they were 1 dollar.

neonwraith · 01-06-06

I wasn't against going into Iraq, but I thought that removing Hussein should have bene the key aim. Get rid of a person the CIA put into power and the Tories armed. Esentially cleaning up the mess it made in the 70's.

But now we're there, mwe can't just pull out because the whole place will collapse into a worse state then it was in before.

EL