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Serious Discussion Discuss why christians get a bad rep. in the Discussions forums; Originally posted by Dark Messiah See, here's my problem. You claim to be a 4th Generation Wiccan, which even assuming you were, say, 15 years old, leaves 75 years ...

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07-08-02

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See, here's my problem. You claim to be a 4th Generation Wiccan, which even assuming you were, say, 15 years old, leaves 75 years for the conversion of your great-grandmother. Wicca as a religion is less than fifty years old.
Just over 50 yrs old if you are following Gardners/Crowleys wicca. However the Celtic 'Wicca' religion is much older but sadly lost through the evil practices of Christianity.



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Yes, of course. WE'RE evil. Nevermind that you just said that Hitler wanted to reinstill Paganism, and look what he did to people. So we have an inherently evil Pagan, but golly gee gosh no, a few people who do something bad for one religion doesn't matter for anything BUT Christianity. Your generalizations amuse me. And I find them extremely insulting.

The evil Christianity...right. Want to know how many people I'VE ever tried to "convert?" None. And nevermind that I have many friends who are Pagen, Jewish, etc. Nevermind that my girlfriend is not religious. But damn, I must hate everything else because I'm Christian. Yep, what the hell was I thinking? I have to be the blind sheep just because of how everyone views Christianity. Fuck this.


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The evil Christianity...right. Want to know how many people I'VE ever tried to "convert?" None. And nevermind that I have many friends who are Pagen, Jewish, etc. Nevermind that my girlfriend is not religious. But damn, I must hate everything else because I'm Christian. Yep, what the hell was I thinking? I have to be the blind sheep just because of how everyone views Christianity. Fuck this.
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this is not an attack on u. stop taking it that way. viocing our opinion on the subject inrags u so maybe u shouldnt come to this post. you know. its better for ur health, ur going to have an anurism or something.

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Merely trying to show that the stereotype doesn't mean shit.


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ok the whole christian being dishonest to the wiccian religon ....i saw a tv show about this on the history channel ...well how it went was....say there were pegans worship'n a tree.....the christians came and started doing the same saying things like the tree is god because he already showed himself as a burning bush...just slight things like that helped destroy the beliefs of most of the wiccans. also thats where halloween came from....it was made by christians to relate to that night for the dead night holiday they have....thats why i laugh when christians say halloween is evil cause it was christians that made it:p


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Funny...I didn't know that I believed that, either. Yep, Haloween is a pretty dark time for me...I sit in my room in repentence for the evils of the world with my bible and pray. And Lord knows, I go around and worship trees because God appeared in a burning bush. Uh-huh. Yep, that's me.

This thread is full of unfounded stereotypes (read: bullshit).


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no i didn't mean all christians....i mean my grand mother is like that though and alot of my friends parents


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I don't believe hitler was an atheist as he was interested in the Occult and favoured pagan worship over christians.

If he won the war didn't he want to re-install paganism (earth worship basically) as the main religion?

Hitler Embraced Germanic Paganism for Nationalist reasons, intending to use it as the Aryan religion, controlled by the State. He himself personally didn't believe in it.


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Just over 50 yrs old if you are following Gardners/Crowleys wicca. However the Celtic 'Wicca' religion is much older but sadly lost through the evil practices of Christianity.


Correction; through the evil practices of Christians. Many Christians are evil, but Christianity itself is not.


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actrully i belive there is no one that is pure evil...


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Many Christians are evil, but Christianity itself is not.
I don't think everyone agrees.

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You know being from Utah and all, I haven't seen christianity all that much, for reasons known to all who know about Utah. However I know that Christians are not bad people in general. I mean look at final word. Is he a bad person. Oh Hell no. But the main religion here, and you know what I am talking about, does embody, in my opinion all the bad aspects of the christian religion. Hell they have to go by another name outside of the U.S. because of the god Mormo, who is the god of evil in either indonesian, or polynesian areas, I'm not sure. Christianity isn't bad, fucked up in a lot of ways, but not bad. Mormons are bad. Out of all the religions that were spawed from Christianity, Mormonism went the worst.


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Yes, of course. WE'RE evil. Nevermind that you just said that Hitler wanted to reinstill Paganism, and look what he did to people. So we have an inherently evil Pagan, but golly gee gosh no, a few people who do something bad for one religion doesn't matter for anything BUT Christianity. Your generalizations amuse me. And I find them extremely insulting.

The evil Christianity...right. Want to know how many people I'VE ever tried to "convert?" None. And nevermind that I have many friends who are Pagen, Jewish, etc. Nevermind that my girlfriend is not religious. But damn, I must hate everything else because I'm Christian. Yep, what the hell was I thinking? I have to be the blind sheep just because of how everyone views Christianity. Fuck this.
WTF you talking about. I never said you were evil or christians are evil. Misguided perhaps.

Most people don't know that hitler was a pagan which is why he's never quoted whereas the church have hundreds of examples of misconduct which is why they are such an easy target to slate.

Unfortunately it is what the church does that people look at when the judge christians and also all the holes in the bible. They are such an easy target to pick on.

Same goes for Jews but we're not allowed to say anything bad about them.

Oh and muslims too of course.



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Hi.

I'm pretty new to this fine site. So much talent that really needs to be heard, lots of fine words indeed. A pleasure to drop by.

Just my opinion but I don't think Christianity has much puff left, I can't see it lasting another hundred years. The world is starting to recognise it for what it really is. Do you really think that if Jesus came back he would want to assocaite himself with modern day Christians?

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Welcome to the site, Trevor. Can i call you Trevor? Would you prefer Rat?


I'm interested in hearing why you do not value tolerance? It has always been my understanding, that without tolerance, our views become stagnant. We obtain no new information, no new forms of stimulation.
  
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I'm interested in hearing why you do not value tolerance? It has always been my understanding, that without tolerance, our views become stagnant. We obtain no new information, no new forms of stimulation.
Its all a balancing act.Some tolerance is always needed, yes.No one wants other people hounding after you just because you`re different.
Too much tolerance is indifference which is the stagnation of opinion, that leads to inaction.


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Its all a balancing act.Some tolerance is always needed, yes.No one wants other people hounding after you just because you`re different.
Too much tolerance is indifference which is the stagnation of opinion, that leads to inaction.
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Open love's cascade - 07-10-02

Hello there.

Very pleased to meet you. I guess I just have a thing about Christianity, I really believe it has never offered, nor never will offer anything positive. It's just one big commercial venture, screwing people with nothing to hang on to (as well as those with no spiritual worth..the worst kind) To which I can only add my honest and considered opinion that it really should not be tolerated. I don't really get along with Christians. However, I do think Jesus was a genuine, caring guy...until the Christians got their hands on him.

Jesus got a raw deal.

I don't think that's prejudiced as I am not encouraging anyone, it's just an honest opinion.
  
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O.k. I belong to no religion. But atleast with Christianity, they actually call it donations to help the church. With the religion here, the call it tithings to prove your loyalty to God.


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