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03-24-06

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My argument is simply that you should be prepared to do something to save unwanted children up for adoption if you don't approve of abortion. Become a social worker, adopt a few of them who you have no personal investment in or family ties to. something.
Why? You don't approve of Muslim genocide, yet you're still here in the States sitting fat and pretty. Doing nothing. What's the difference?


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So what about partial birth abortion, is that murder? Or doe[Qs sucking the brain out of an unborn child not qualify it as a child anymore?
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Why wouldnt they be adoptable? If the mother didnt want to give it away then she can keep it. Unless youre saying a baby is better off dead than adopted.
in some cases, i do believe it would be better for a baby to be dead than suffer the atrocities an unwanted child can be subjected to, particularly by parents too young and inexperienced to understand there are options...or too frightened to ask for assistance...

partial birth abortions, i do agree are wrong, and i do frown when abortions are used as brith control...but to make it illegal for women to choose to do with their body, what they want...

personally, i would support eugenics?

it would solve this whole nasty business...without a hair of the death, destruction and hatred, that even those who cry they support life, wallow in to enforce their will upon another...silly teenagers would not be able to have babies, mother's whose life may be threatened by carrying a child to birth would be screened out and only those who are capable of caring for a child, could afford one.



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Why? You don't approve of Muslim genocide, yet you're still here in the States sitting fat and pretty. Doing nothing. What's the difference?
Two reasons; I can't do anything to stop that from happening and it doesn't directly affect me.


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We could afford to house everyone in our country were we to dismiss defense and foriegn policy spending. Of course we would also become somewhat of a socialist state and our taxes would rise to that perilous 50% mark.

Nothing is fucked up discussing financial responsibilities. Most people who have children do not think about those responsibilities. That is why we have such huge populations on welfare and WIC.

Sweeping changes in our government spending infrastructure could fund huge state run orphanages/adoption houses. But eventualy the cost trickles down to the tax payer as usual.

What I wish is that we as tax payers could denote where our dollars are going. That is as it should be. A small questionare with percentile selections for your tax dollars would make a huge impact in where our money goes and who gets it.
No whats fucked up is dicussing how to reduce taxes by murdering children.

If you want to reduce taxes then lets stop funding failing schools, stop funding so much of the military, lets reduce thier budget by just 1% and use the rest for domestic shit. Lets seal up the borders and kick out the illegals who use services and dont pay taxes.
  
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Or make the perons involved in giving life to the child financially responsible until it is given a home. It is thier responsibility after all.

Main argument for abortion though is the preservation of life. On the Mothers part. If it is made illegal those who want one will get one illegally and put thier lives at risk doing so.

Only way to stop it would be to "fix" those who are caught doing it once, because they will do it again.

Yet you will always find shady docs who will do it regardless of laws.
Again we arent talking about abortion we are talking about late term abortions.

And Cessarians are safer than PBA's, so that arguement is bullshit. See also the quote I posted before from the PhD's who said that the vast majority of PBA are on healtyh women with healthy babies. Its just another form of birth control. As such it should be illegal. I dont think murdering a baby so a woman can continue to fuck around is good policy.
  
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My argument is simply that you should be prepared to do something to save unwanted children up for adoption if you don't approve of abortion. Become a social worker, adopt a few of them who you have no personal investment in or family ties to. something.
How about the millions of childless couples who are on 10 year adoption waiting lists, your logic here is so skewed and fucked up that its laughable.
  
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in some cases, i do believe it would be better for a baby to be dead than suffer the atrocities an unwanted child can be subjected to, particularly by parents too young and inexperienced to understand there are options...or too frightened to ask for assistance...

partial birth abortions, i do agree are wrong, and i do frown when abortions are used as brith control...but to make it illegal for women to choose to do with their body, what they want...

personally, i would support eugenics?

it would solve this whole nasty business...without a hair of the death, destruction and hatred, that even those who cry they support life, wallow in to enforce their will upon another...silly teenagers would not be able to have babies, mother's whose life may be threatened by carrying a child to birth would be screened out and only those who are capable of caring for a child, could afford one.
Hey newsflash. When the fetus becomes a human being in the late term its not just YOUR body anymore. Capiche? If you didnt want to have that child you shoulda aborted it before it became a person as opposed to a bundle of cells.

PBA SHOULD be illegal. Because its not about a womans choice anymore. Shes sharing her body with another person. like it or not that person has rights too.

Youre a swinger, maybe thats not healthy for your kids, should they be put to death?
  
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Two reasons; I can't do anything to stop that from happening and it doesn't directly affect me.
In other words youre full of shit.
  
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I agree that the creator was twisted...If abortion wasn't invented I certainly wouldn't let anyone have a practise on me.

But now that it is legal and a valid choice for people, taking it away would be dangerous and backwards. I couldn't do it myself, but give someone else the option ok? Backyard abortions anyone?


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Dy, if they used anthoter method to murder the child before it was born at that late stage of development I would still be against it.

As per your question, well I could act like Drktrick and save some stupid shit like "id sav them both" but because I am not a slippery individual I would probably make a choice, become insanely depressed over it and eventually commit suicide. Because ya know why? I dont think I could handle being the one telling the doctor t murder my child to save my girlfriend. ANd also when did it become my choice? It never would be anyway.
Bad analogy there. But hey, whatever..

As for your views on this. I 'kinda' agree with you. But not fully.
First, At what point do you think it should become illegal for the abortion? In weeks along please.
Second, IF and i mean IF it is proven that carrying the unborn to full term will cause death, or permanent physical harm to the woman carrying said fetus, I agree with late abortions if ( again that if word ) there is not another option for the unborns removal. If the woman carrying the unborn can survive by having a C-section. then by all means, do that instead. And IF a PBA is the only option available to save the womans life. then i would agree with it.
Third, Put me at the point Dy gave you and i would most likely weigh all the options available and decide what was safest. If that meant giving up the life of the unborn to save hers, so it would be written, so it would be done.

And Lastly, When I'm able to afford it, i intend to get myself fixed. I have two children, i don't need nor want more. Hell, the world doesn't need more people on it!! And no relying on some piece of silicone to not break or some pill to fail for me.
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Hey newsflash. When the fetus becomes a human being in the late term its not just YOUR body anymore. Capiche? If you didnt want to have that child you shoulda aborted it before it became a person as opposed to a bundle of cells.

PBA SHOULD be illegal. Because its not about a womans choice anymore. Shes sharing her body with another person. like it or not that person has rights too.

Youre a swinger, maybe thats not healthy for your kids, should they be put to death?
they're not being abused, forgotten or dumped in a dumpster...and children are not real until they kick...despite what, anti abortionists like to think...

"If you want to reduce taxes then lets stop funding failing schools, stop funding so much of the military, lets reduce thier budget by just 1% and use the rest for domestic shit. Lets seal up the borders and kick out the illegals who use services and dont pay taxes."

but i'll forgive you...if you keep talking like that...



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No whats fucked up is dicussing how to reduce taxes by murdering children.

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We kill for oil. Whats the big difference??/ Both are motivated by financial needs and economic welfare.



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"If you want to reduce taxes then lets stop funding failing schools, stop funding so much of the military, lets reduce thier budget by just 1% and use the rest for domestic shit. Lets seal up the borders and kick out the illegals who use services and dont pay taxes."
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If only we could stem that spending

Bush will have run up a record(no higher national debt has ever been recorded) 11 Trillion dollar national debt.

Yeah baby!!! Way to burn those war dollars. Bush is scrambling for every penny he can and leaving the pieces of the Iraq war for the next President to take care of.

Billy. Don't get me wrong. I disagree with present abortion methods as well. But if you bring that into the argument morals alone will persuade most that abortion should be illegal.
The methods can be policed if abortion is legal and yet will be impossible to police if illegal.

We need to transform all schools into large homeless acadamies and let children be taught by thier parents or at least give the parents the choice of schooling with government aid.
Present school systems in the entire US are laughable at best.



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Unlike you we actually cherish and celebrate life, its probably because we have bigge rhearts and arent afraid to love a little more, because I am sure the only thing you could EVER love is your own putrid self.
Unless they're muslim, in which case you advocate their deaths. You're a treasure trove of contradictions billy boy.


  
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Unless they're muslim, in which case you advocate their deaths. You're a treasure trove of contradictions billy boy.
Dont be a cock, you know when I advocate genocide I am blowing off steam.

I also said Antihero made me wish I was gay before... did you take that seriously too?

Do I want to kill terrorists? Yes, do I want collateral damage? No. Do I wish that muslims had a better culture? Yes, do I advocate genocide to get that? no. But if you push my buttons I will say I will because it pisses off eggheads like the ghoul over here.
  
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I will say I will because it pisses off eggheads like the ghoul over here.
Ah, so you finally state that you like trolling. It's not like I couldn't tell but it is interesting to see you admit it.
Yet you make statements like that at every opportunity though . . . Hmm . . . Isn't that like . . . trolling the entire board?


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Ah, so you finally state that you like trolling. It's not like I couldn't tell but it is interesting to see you admit it.
Yet you make statements like that at every opportunity though . . . Hmm . . . Isn't that like . . . trolling the entire board?
At least we know it doesnt make me a ghoul like you. However much youd like to use that "info" to "injure" me on the forum you cant. Because you have a personal bias, and acting out on them as you already know is fruitless.

But its nice to see you all but admit that you have been looking especially hard to apparently tag something on me, not that we didnt know of course, but it is nice ot see you admit it. So technically itd be like an abuse of power wouldnt it?
  
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