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Madpoet · 02-01-04

Just out of curiosity, are you all theology students in a college or uni? or are you just bookworms?

Catholicism is just as bad as christianity. I want nothing to do with any of them. I still beleive in JC and all that, but fuck that guilt-tripping, lying pharisee-infested organized bullshit. I'm going to found my own religious sect. It'll involve almost anything that christianity and catholicism makes you feel guilty about.
No one but god is gonna stop me.
The bible is corrupt, and when you take out the known lies and insertions and mistranslations, it makes it more pure.
And you'll never prove that JC existed! Don't you get it? "Blessed are they which have not seen and yet believe" - John 20: 29

Sorry if that was off-topic. I'm sleepless and pissed off.
Peace be to you all, etc, etc,

Guy_Person · 02-01-04

I'm a theology student. And again, Catholicism is the same as Christianity, no ifs ands or buts.

And if you really didn't read all of what I posted, I'll reiterate: HISTORY IS THE STUDY OF WRITTEN RECORDS. Empirical evidence in history is nonexistant, all we have is written records and we have nothing but other written records to decide on the truth of those written records.

frater luciferi · **umm -** 02-01-04

history is written by the victor

Guy_Person · 02-01-04

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history is written by the victor

Does that make it wrong?

frater luciferi · **888 -** 02-02-04

i apologize if you might have taken my debate with you personally guy person.
I do apreciate such well read people as yourself in the manner of discussion, even if it in anyway would show my ignorance i would be that more enlightened.

I suppose i should clarify. History is written by the victors, as In it tends to be a little bit biased. An example would be Iraneus and his texts about gnosticism or the "heresies" as spoken. I am not trying to disprove the authority of the christian or catholic church, i am merely trying to reistablish the importance of the influences of the gnostics on the early church, as well as their contributions to christian thought.

Oazaki · 03-02-04

thought you might all like this re: who the whore is, which i got from this site:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/thebeast.htm

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Revelation 13, the chapter which describes the "Beast" begins:

"I stood on the sandy beach, I saw a beast coming up out of the sea with ten horns and seven heads. On his horns he had ten royal crowns and blasphemous titles on his heads."

This first sentence tells us of a landing on a foreign shore; the beast is to be found at a distance from the area of the previous chapter which describes the Roman Empire, the Catholic Church, and its persecutions of True Christianity. To understand what John means by sea, we can look at chapter 16, verse 8:

"The waters that you observed are races and multitudes..."

Examining all other references to beasts in the Bible, it is immediately apparent that, other than references to actual animals, this designation belongs to world empires.

Daniel's prophecies foreshadowed Revelation, and Daniel was told by an angel that a beast symbolized an empire. There is some interchangeability between "king" and "empire," just as there is interchangeability between "city" and "nation". This is also traditional since any king is considered diplomatically to be his country. I think that we can safely assume that John is not referring to a fantastic animal, so the only other supported interpretation we can give to this beast is that it is an empire.

John is most specific in describing the numbers of heads and horns and the placing of the crowns on the horns and not the heads! So, we must think this is to be of some import in describing the nature of this empire. Daniel, Chapter 7, describes his fourth beast as having ten horns and, it has been determined that Daniel's fourth beast was the Roman Empire. The beast in Chapter 12 of Revelation can also be identified, by its role, as the Roman Empire. The comparison can then be made that the crowns, in the case of the descriptions of the beast representing the Roman Empire, are upon the heads and not on the horns.

The number "7" is a sacred number indicating perfection or completion. It was used very often in a symbolic manner for the "whole" of a thing. Thus, seven heads would indicate an autonomous nation -- not under the rule of any other empire. The placement of the crowns on the horns rather than on the heads indicates that this is not a totalitarian, monarchical or dictatorial regime. The horns symbolize strength and the assembly of the people, for the horn was used to call the people to pray and to hear the words of the prophets. We can see that on this beast they represent the strength of an empire in the diversity of its people.

Ten is symbolic of testing, an earthly foreshadowing of divine principle: "For since the law has merely a rude outline of the good things to come, instead of fully expressing those things, it can never perfect..."(Hebrews 10:1) So, we can conclude that the ten horns represents the assembling of a large number of people who express an almost divine concept in government -- since the rulership of the empire, symbolized by the crowns, is placed on the horns and not on the heads -- government of the people, by the people, for the people.

The heads, on the other hand, the decision making part of the beast, the administrative or titular head of an empire, are represented as having blasphemous titles on their foreheads. The definition of blasphemy is "profane usage of God's name". Profane simply means that which is not connected with religion. The blasphemous titles on the heads inform us that the government of this nation will use the name of God and purported spiritual principles to induce people to submit to its controls and its policies.

interesting ah? and it makes sense too if you ask me.

all the best,
Oazaki.

Jordyn · 03-02-04

i've heard to many say it's not rome...

Oazaki · 03-02-04

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i've heard to many say it's not rome...

well, i was actually implying it was america with that quote babe.

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"And the beast that I saw resembled a leopard, his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth was like that of a lion."

Here we find that this new empire has many of the characteristics of former world empires as described by Daniel. The multiplicity of types also indicates the greater supremacy of this world empire. Possessing the military might of the Media-Persian empire as exemplified by the bear; the speed and cunning of Alexander's empire, the leopard. That the mouth is described as being like a lion denotes loud and boastful speech as well -- self-aggrandizement and self-indulgence, and another meaning, as we shall see.

"And to him the dragon gave his might and power and his throne and great dominion."

The dragon is, classically, and in scripture, Satan. This sentence denotes the emerging character of this beast as well as establishes its position in the world. John says that the dragon gives his throne to the beast. This means that this empire becomes the number one nation on the earth in all things material: industry, commerce, political influence, economic living standards, arts, science, technology, material goods of all sorts and fleshly pleasures; all things pertaining to the "things of the world." That is not to say that any of these things are evil in themselves -- it is the attitude and ideal which is important.

John has informed us that the social structure of this end-time empire is controlled by a pervading principle of life that is antithetical to spirituality. The Dragon exalts this empire far above all the other societies of the world in all the things which pertain to materiality. This society is one which has set itself up as arbiter of what is right and wrong as well as being excessively preoccupied with physical appearance and material wealth and goods.

"And one of his heads seemed to have a deadly wound. But his death stroke was healed, and the whole earth went after the beast in amazement and admiration."

This verse tells us that one branch, or department of the administrative body suffers an attack. This attack is clarified in verse 14 which describes the wound as being inflicted by a sword -- a military action. Note that the verse says "seems" to have a deadly wound. This tells us that this event leads many to think that it is a death stroke and will finish the beast. Yet, the empire/beast recovers quickly and goes on to lead, and be adored by, an admiring world.

"They fell down and did homage to the dragon, because he had bestowed on the beast all his dominion and authority; they also praised and worshipped the beast, exclaiming, Who is a match for the beast, and who can make war against him?"

To do homage means to serve or venerate, and this verse tells us that the benefits of Satan, materiality, as promulgated by the beast, become the standard of the other societies of the world. In addition, this verse identifies the ascendancy of materialism as occurring through military actions.

"And the beast was given the power of speech, uttering boastful and blasphemous words, and he was given freedom to exert his authority and to exercise his will during forty-two months."

Jesus has been described as "slaying nations" with the "breath of his mouth." We now have a clue as to the meaning of this remark.

Here we have the beast making war. "Speaking," in this context, clearly means war. And, having the mouth of a lion, we can be sure that this "speech" will be proud, haughty, and declaiming noble ideals. But, that this war/speech is blasphemous tells us that there is something hidden here that we must find, and we will a bit further on. The authority during 42 months is identified in verses three and four as military. Thus, claiming to act in the will or name of God, this nation will lead the peoples of the earth in a war for 42 months. [Keep this 42 months in mind.]

"He was further permitted to wage war on God's holy people and to overcome them. And power was given him to extend his authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation."

This verse describes the extension of authority after the military action has ceased. Once again this nation is described as having the top position, and to a greater extent than before, in all material aspects. The results of the military action have served to place the beast in a position to "wage war against God's holy people."

Contrary to popular theological opinion, I do not see these "Holy People" as members of any given religion, "born again" or otherwise.

"God's people" must be understood to be those who manifest spiritual values over and above materialism. It might also be noted that Christ said, referring to little children, "of such is the kingdom of heaven"; so we may include the criteria of "becoming as a child" in order to be one of "God's Holy People." Children are born curious, adventurous, courageous and most especially, not hung up on "belief systems." Simple faith in the "rightness" of things, with no desire to "save" or change anything is one of the chief features of the "childlike" attitude.

The use of the word "overcome" in this context, informs us that an actual military action is not involved -- rather that the beast uses some means of inducement to cause innocent and unsuspecting individuals to fall into the ways of materialism. This is a war of forces - - materialism versus spirituality -- a severe attack on spirituality, leading many astray. It also indicates that those who place spiritual values above material considerations will have a difficult time dealing with life in general due to the fact that only those who know how to "play the game" will be able to maneuver well in the society of the Beast.

"And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in adoration and pay him homage, every one whose name has not been recorded from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world."

This verse tells us that this empire will be victorious in propagating materialism over vast areas of the globe and that the ideals of Service to Self and reliance on human materialistic knowledge and capabilities will come to be seen as the prevailing aspirations of the world. This does not mean that the entire world will attain these ideals, but that the economic, industrial, artistic, scientific achievements and living standards of this empire will be admired and emulated -- idolized, in fact.

However, we must also see that there will be some who do not fall into the trap set by the beast -- those who retain their ideals of spiritual perfection and achievement - - and that these people are foreordained to occupy this role.

"Whoever leads into captivity will himself go into captivity; if anyone slays with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Herein is the patience and the faith and fidelity of the saints."

This caveat is inserted at this point for several reasons; The first is to reassure those who have been "foreordained" as well as those who have suffered actual death or loss, that what is sown is reaped.

The beast is warned that nations invoke karma also!

"Then I saw another beast rising up out of the land; he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke like a dragon. He exerts all the power and right of control of the former beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell upon it to exalt and deify the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed, and worship him. He performs great signs -- startling miracles -- even making fire fall from the sky to the earth in men's sight. And because of the signs which he is allowed to perform in the presence of the first beast, he deceives those who inhabit the earth, commanding them to erect an image in the likeness of the beast which was wounded by the sword and still lived."

This second beast, must, once again, be an empire...

and then on the end of that page we get:

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Now, you ask, Who -- or What -- is the Beast? Which world empire fits the descriptions of Revelation 13?

Which world empire began on a foreign shore, formed of many races and tongues; (primarily people from the area of the old Roman Empire -- the "Little Horn" of Daniel, which made war with three of the ten divisions of the Roman Empire: England, France and Spain)?

Which nation on the earth rapidly became the richest and most powerful empire on earth, using the name of God as its motto?

Which nation suffered a military attack - Pearl Harbor - which seemed to be devastating, but was, in fact, a political manipulation designed to engender popular support for a war of greed -- a wound which healed so quickly that one can't help but wonder if all preparations were made in advance?

And, considering our sub-loop, dare we suggest that we ought to compare the World Trade Center attack with the attack on Pearl Harbor?

Which nation rose up after such an attack and went on to lead an adoring world in a global war, winning on two fronts simultaneously? A war which involved this empire for a period of 42 months?

And which nation, in response to an obviously manipulated attack on the World Trade Center has risen up to appoint itself the leader in a "War on Terrorism?" Will this also last 42 months, to end in a grand display of awesome power?

Which empire developed and used "fire falling from the sky in the sight of men" -- atomic weapons -- to awe and intimidate the peoples of the world - and did so via the offices of a group of elite controllers of the world, a second beast that appeared as a lamb and spoke as a dragon?

And do we think that this might happen again, at the end of 42 months as designated in the text of Revelation for the period of this "War on Terrorism?" If you count 42 months from September 11, 2001, you arrive at approximately March of 2005. This is only approximate since we don't know whether to use "legal" months or lunar months. If it is lunar, then the date will possibly fall late January of 2005.

The fact is, however, one cannot attach definite dates to propecies because of the fluid nature of reality. Nevertheless, as we have noted, certain forces that are aware of definite cycles, might utilize those cycles to make prophecies that are assured of "coming true" in order to enhance their own position. They can also make prophecies and then ensure that they "happen" by manipulation of realities. Again, this is for the purpose of servicing their own position.

Getting back to the identity of The Beast: Which nation used such a blasphemous power on a people already defeated, the Japanese, after having deliberately drawn them into war?

Do we dare to suggest that the United States, has "manipulated" the perception of an attack by Palestinians in order to generate support for a war against them - with the intention of nuclear destruction? Destruction that would simultaneously destroy Israel? After all, in the "dress rehearsal" of WW II, the Japanese were manipulated to attack the U.S. in order to engender support to enter the war - and the REAL objective was Germany - an ally of Japan - the "Axis Powers." And today, we have George Bush talking about the "Axis of Evil." Are we getting a chill up our spine yet?

Which nation, after this war, established, and still maintains, military presence and industrial outposts over all the globe and has made the world its marketplace -- a financial bonanza -- propagating materialism as though it were manna from heaven or the word of God in order to satiate its voracious appetite for money and power?

What nation on the earth is ruled from behind the political stage by the industrial-military complex -- a group so powerful they can politically (or literally) assassinate public and private figures with impunity; a group of wealthy elitists who know no bounds to their greed; a group which foments social unrest, political strife, unstable economies, wars and revolutions; a group which stimulates technology and promulgates materialism, to keep their pockets full and the strings of power in their hands?

What nation on earth has been manipulated by the electronic media -- under the control of the motivation masters hired by the industrial-military complex (the false prophets of materialism and technology) -- so that they have lost sight of the spirit and meaning of those ideals which gave birth to their empire?

What nation's name number is NINE?

which makes it all a bit more explicit. check out that link -

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/thebeast.htm

it really is very good. and if you then go to the second page of that article following on from the above-given link, you get to find out who the whore is, with the same detailed analysis applied in her case.

and for the rest of you, this here has been an example btw: my stuff is very good, and if you seek out all the links, hints and techniques i have given, you can find the answers to this grand puzzle. in full. but of course, most of you would rather defend your established belief systems and react emotionally wouldn't you? know that, for this too, is there karma.

Oazaki.

Dyshade · 03-02-04

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and for the rest of you, this here has been an example btw: my stuff is very good, and if you seek out all the links, hints and techniques i have given, you can find the answers to this grand puzzle. in full. but of course, most of you would rather defend your established belief systems and react emotionally wouldn't you? know that, for this too, is there karma.

Oazaki.

Once again you use others work to perpetuate your own attempts at grandiosity and wisdom......

What grand puzzle do you speak of...???

"My stuff" indeed.....

Oazaki · 03-02-04

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Once again you use others work to perpetuate your own attempts at grandiosity and wisdom.....

well, if you compare what is written on that site with my own material covering the same factors you will find that we're both saying the same thing, and to the same timescale at that.
and that's another reason that i quote others' stuff in my posts. for if you investigated all the links and material i've posted and then compared it to my stuff, you'd discover that to reject my stuff, and do so consistently, you'd also have to reject large swathes of material from the established mystical, magickal and religious systems. the accurate stuff within those systems i might add. of course you are also free to reject my stuff and yet admit the validity of the established systems. yet it would not be consistent to do so. but i'm sure that's not a problem for you dyshade.

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What grand puzzle do you speak of...???

the nature of the reality, of what is coming and of who i am. and also, that i am correct. despite each person's preconceptions, emotionalities and *reactions* on the latter matter.

Oazaki.

Xuldemios · 03-02-04

You seek the wisdom of the ages within the words of another who is as deluded as you may be.
Mankind is quick to believe that which touches them. In essence I would refer to your character as chameleonic. You change your tone and ideals to fit the present situation.
You transmutate your set of beliefs as quickly as a Catholic Priest lowers a young mans breeches. You might suffer a small twinge of conscience yet that is overridden by your need to satisfy the immediate concerns of your lust and self-satisfaction.

You are quick to dismiss others for what you see as wrong and yet do not suffer ever to look into a mirror and reflect upon the enormous defecit of your own immoral spirit. In recognition of our base weaknesses we are only made stronger. When dismissing them the only one who suffers is ye yourself.

You are the spirit of cadaverous empathy which seeks to feed off of the spiritual sanctity of your fellow man. You are the sign of that which can only be labeled as the downfall of spiritual morality.

You are nothing more than a Man. You work, eat, shit, and sleep. The only thing you will ever rule is the handle of your toilet upon which it will be your desire whether you flush or you do not flush.

I Forgive you. For that is My Nature.

Oazaki · 03-03-04

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You seek the wisdom of the ages within the words of another who is as deluded as you may be.

well, their stuff is very intelligently researched, analyzed, put together and expressed. and they, presumably coincidentally, also calculate the endtimes as starting in the spring of 2004. and by "equally deluded" i presume you mean: at the equal degree of delusion of "not at all".

(yeah i know that's not what you mean but i thought i'd have some fun with you).

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Mankind is quick to believe that which touches them.

and angelkind is quick to reject that which does not fit with their preconceptions of reality. have you ever wondered why angels don't *grow* and *evolve*? you might want to consider that point as this year unfolds...

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In essence I would refer to your character as chameleonic.

rapidly evolving i'd say.

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You change your tone and ideals to fit the present situation.

my tone yes. my ideal is fixed and always has been: FREEDOM. which comes to those who take it i might add.

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You might suffer a small twinge of conscience yet that is overridden by your need to satisfy the immediate concerns of your lust and self-satisfaction.

conscience is for those who do not do what they're supposed to be doing, or who do what they're not supposed to be doing. ie, for thos who are not aligned with their spirit purpose. conscience has no place within me and no role in my life. why? beacuase i am perfectly aligned with my spirit purpose and do what i came here to do.

but yeah, lust is often an "immediate concern". lust is cool.

heh heh.

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You are quick to dismiss others for what you see as wrong and yet do not suffer ever to look into a mirror and reflect upon the enormous defecit of your own immoral spirit.

actually i look in the mirror lots man. after all, i'm just so beautiful...

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In recognition of our base weaknesses we are only made stronger. When dismissing them the only one who suffers is ye yourself.

this is true re: faults and imbalances which i think is what you're referring to here. yet these don't apply to me, for i am perfectly balanced, perfectly aligned. it is how i was able to become one in body, soul and spirit. re: weakness itself, this is not true for weakness, like fear, does not, in reality, exist.

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You are the spirit of cadaverous empathy which seeks to feed off of the spiritual sanctity of your fellow man. You are the sign of that which can only be labeled as the downfall of spiritual morality.

well, overlooking the silly insults cos i'm just so mature. you are right about my being the fall of spiritual morality. far more right than you currently perceive in fact.

on a more shallow level i will also add that i am the cause of the downfall of ALL morality. for do what thou wilt shall be the entirety of the law.

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You are nothing more than a Man. You work, eat, shit, and sleep. The only thing you will ever rule is the handle of your toilet upon which it will be your desire whether you flush or you do not flush.

well you're wrong about the eat and shit but, but hey, it's not a big deal.

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I Forgive you. For that is My Nature.

and i do not forgive you for that is my nature. first and foremost i am justice not love. don't worry though xuly dude, cos all i mean by that is that you will be caused to wake up, open your eyes, learn new truths and *evolve*. you, and indeed everyone else, is fortunate indeed that i judge people not on their reactions to or perceptions of me but on their own nature and works. and you have genuinely tried to help humanity, are open-hearted and balanced indeed for an angel, and your role was not the easiest. so yeah, the coming stuff won't be too hard on you, it'll actually be to your benefit. bt do get back to me once it's all over. end of june should be about right.

all the best man,
Oazaki.

zealot_hacker · **oazaki you are pretty dumb -** 03-03-04

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Originally Posted by Oazaki

well, their stuff is very intelligently researched, analyzed, put together and expressed. and they, presumably coincidentally, also calculate the endtimes as starting in the spring of 2004. and by "equally deluded" i presume you mean: at the equal degree of delusion of "not at all".

(yeah i know that's not what you mean but i thought i'd have some fun with you).

and angelkind is quick to reject that which does not fit with their preconceptions of reality. have you ever wondered why angels don't *grow* and *evolve*? you might want to consider that point as this year unfolds...

rapidly evolving i'd say.

my tone yes. my ideal is fixed and always has been: FREEDOM. which comes to those who take it i might add.

conscience is for those who do not do what they're supposed to be doing, or who do what they're not supposed to be doing. ie, for thos who are not aligned with their spirit purpose. conscience has no place within me and no role in my life. why? beacuase i am perfectly aligned with my spirit purpose and do what i came here to do.

but yeah, lust is often an "immediate concern". lust is cool.

heh heh.

actually i look in the mirror lots man. after all, i'm just so beautiful...

this is true re: faults and imbalances which i think is what you're referring to here. yet these don't apply to me, for i am perfectly balanced, perfectly aligned. it is how i was able to become one in body, soul and spirit. re: weakness itself, this is not true for weakness, like fear, does not, in reality, exist.

well, overlooking the silly insults cos i'm just so mature. you are right about my being the fall of spiritual morality. far more right than you currently perceive in fact.

on a more shallow level i will also add that i am the cause of the downfall of ALL morality. for do what thou wilt shall be the entirety of the law.

well you're wrong about the eat and shit but, but hey, it's not a big deal.

and i do not forgive you for that is my nature. first and foremost i am justice not love. don't worry though xuly dude, cos all i mean by that is that you will be caused to wake up, open your eyes, learn new truths and *evolve*. you, and indeed everyone else, is fortunate indeed that i judge people not on their reactions to or perceptions of me but on their own nature and works. and you have genuinely tried to help humanity, are open-hearted and balanced indeed for an angel, and your role was not the easiest. so yeah, the coming stuff won't be too hard on you, it'll actually be to your benefit. bt do get back to me once it's all over. end of june should be about right.

all the best man,
Oazaki.

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Jordyn · 03-03-04

please keep such...displays out of this board..it is one of those strictly enforced concerning rules.

Kain424 · 03-04-04

That was beautiful. I don't really care what everyone else thinks, but Oazaki going all out and responding to each bit of criticism took a lot. Awesome. I know I admire that.