Brilliant, typical of someone who is afraid to actually engage someone in a real discussion. The facts are facts though and your opinions do not count as facts.

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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd Brilliant, typical of someone who is afraid to actually engage someone in a real discussion.

Argumentum ad hominem.

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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd The facts are facts though and your opinions do not count as facts.

Which facts are we talking about?

The fact that our President lied to us to get us into that mess in Iraq?

The fact that over 2500 Americans have been killed there?

The fact that our country applies a double standard to the prosecution of known terrorists?

The fact that Social Security and Medicare are a hopeless mess?

The fact that we now have the highest deficit spending in our history?

The fact that while an oil man has been in the Whitehouse, fuel prices have hit all time highs?

The fact that BP, one of the richest corporations in the world, who has reported record profit for years, basically ignored performing basic inspections on their pipeline in Alaska for over a decade, wound up with a blow out and had to shut a significant part of the Alaskan pipeline down?

The fact that the "party of the moral majority" is prone to being as sleazy as the Dummycrats?

How many facts would you like to cover?

opinion.

Irrelevant to the discussion.

opinion.

Thank democrats, but... opinion.

So? The good part about Ecnomics is that you can always turn it around. Kind of like how the Economy is now booming. Un like when it sagged thanks to Clintons recession.

Gas is pretty cheap right now where I live, and I think its very liberal of you to lay it on Bush's doorstep. Why dont you blame the high cost of a gallon of milk on him too, it used to cost 80 cents in the 80s and now its 2 dollars... or does supply and demand have SOMETHING to do with it? Erego...opinion.

Too bad you libs and the whackly loon enviro nuts wont let us build any new refineries and rebuil pipelines etc, but your statement is an opinion, not a fact. You dont know what they were doing therefore youre making an uneducated and ignorant guess.

Opinion.

I am waiting for you to state even 1...

Does tne name Luis Posada Carriles ring a bell?

On the off chance that it doesn't. He is a 77-year-old former CIA operative who was trained by the U.S. Army at Fort Benning in Georgia. He has been trying to violently overthrow Fidel Castro's government for four decades. Three weeks ago he attepted to enter the United States after years of hiding in Central America and the Caribbean, and was arrested. On charges of illegal immigration.

Posada has been connected to the 1976 downing of a civilian airliner that killed 73 passengers - the first act of airline terrorism in the Western hemisphere. He has also been linked to a series of 1997 bombings of hotels, restaurants, and discotheques in Havana that killed an Italian tourist (something he admitted to at one time); as well as a plot to assassinate Castro five years ago. Our even handed goverment plans on deporting him, poor fella.

Our Government had a Canadian Citizen detained for far less for three years.

No double standard, ay?

Oh that's right, Posada is on our side, against Castro, so its different...

2500 Ameicans killed is ?!irrelevant!? to the discussion.

I find this statement shocking, even from you.

What makes you believe that Iraq is central to the war on terror? Was it central to the war on terror before the invasion/occupation?

O.k. Billy explain this one to me: How can, in a 1 year time frame can we go from an all time low in oil prices, to an increase that has not been seen since Vietnam. How, in one year, can we go from one extreme, to the path of being on another? Heres the problem your gonna have with me on the oil prices: I live in a town that is currently going through a second oil boom, which is about to get a lot bigger according to recent surveys. There are still a lot of people living here that were here during the first boom, people who have been working in the oil field for over 30 years, and not just on the rigs, the offices, the refineries, everywhere. They will tell you there was no shortage in the 70s and there isn't one now. What evidence is there supporting this? Well I could always bring up the record profits, but thats kinda like beating a dead horse. No, instead I bring up something else, that does have to do with said profits: A $1.8 billion budget surplus from taxes paid by the oild industry. I have mentioned this in other threads. One might think heavy taxing. Not really, this state is a very oil field friendly state, most of the state represenatives get contributions from people in the oil field. Yet even at a light tax percentage, we still wound up with a huge buget surplus. 2: Last year the vice president got BLM to approve the building of 3200 rigs over the next 50 years, in this state alone. 3200. Damn thats a lot for one state. They want to average 150 rigs a year for the first 5 years. All because of a supposed oil shortage. Now lets see here, who was Dick CEO for before he became vice president....... Oh wait it was Halliburton. Hey aren't the the worlds large manufacturer and supplier of rig equipment, and supplies. I mean the only ones who come close to them is Slumberger........ Hey wait Halliburton owns part of Slumberger. Could this be connected? Hmmm I wonder

I doubt it. I have been saying this since the 2000 elections, he was gonna try and finish what daddy started

It is irrelevant because youre trying to use 2500 dead soldiers as a reason for us being less safe, when in fact 2500 dead soldiers are keeping us safe. You sir disgust me.

It became the center when we made it the center. Before it was the center there was no center. It works as the center because if we can set up a stable government that is willing to help us out and ally with us it proves that the middle east can change. Thats why its the center, because if we can win there, we cant win against Iran, and if we cant beat them then we cant beat terrorism. In which case I would suggest switching to Islam and Sharia now or else dont take the bus or any subways anymore.

Why didnt anyone flip out when Clinton used Halliburton to help rebuild in Kosovo etc? Is it because its the only company with the real means to ge tthe job done? No its gotta be a Cheney Rove plan!!!!!1111oneoneone...

By the way I didnt read your text wall, it crit my eyes for 1030485 damage.

His daddy is a brilliant man. Dont forget we addressed terrorism in the 70s, and 80s and early 90s... we stopped when the Clintonistas took office, ya know bad for ratings and all. Now we are a step behind where we should have been and are playing catch up due to Clintons neglect of the situation.

And Iraq is central to the WoT because we made it thus, better it be there than downtown Manhattan.

No cliton didn't do shit about terrorists, but he did atleast try to warn bush about the possibility, but he didn't do shit either. They both dropped the ball and fucked up

lolz KKKlinton had 8 years to do.... well anything.... he didnt. ANd he left a huge mess for Bush 2. Thats really all that happend. I love to see liberals try to pretend it was somehow both thier fault equally though.

We were attacked NUMEROUS times by Al Qaeda and Islamic Terrorists under Clinton who didnt do a single thing in retaliation or... well at all. Wait wait... he did fire some blind cruise missliles and blow up an aspirin factory I beleive during the same day as his Grand Jury Indictment.

It all culimated in a massive attack that killed 3000 Americans on September 11th 2001. Bush inhereted this war, like he did the recession. I am not syaing he is innocent though. Bush could have done more faster, especially with tearing down the walls between the FBI and CIA that Clinton put up. So lets split the blame 85% Clinton 15% Bush Co.

What happend after 9/11 though? Did Bush just give some fancy speeches and cry or did he take the fight ot the terrorists?

You can't say that its mostly clinton, they knew that Bin Laden was planning something, and the later had the intel indicate that he was gonna pull something. By the way, I am not liberal, I hate both sides both are too fucking stupid to find their way out of a paper bag

Oh I can say it was mostly Clinton, because... well it was. You can ignore the rusty squeaking in your tires for a year or two, but eventually youre going to lose you breaks. Same thing.

Speaking of opinions...

yes, you being disgusting is an opinion. Good job.