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United Nations endorses Capitalism to cure poverty - 03-03-04

UN Panel Endorses Entrepreneurship as Key to Eradicating Poverty
Peter Heinlein
United Nations
02 Mar 2004, 00:15 UTC

http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?o...2B29B70C4A6D2D

A United Nations Commission has endorsed entrepreneurship as a key to eradicating poverty in developing countries. Secretary-General Kofi Annan formed the commission last July to study how private sector potential might be unleashed to alleviate poverty.
It is an idea that might have been ridiculed in the halls of the United Nations a few years ago. A report issued Monday at U.N. headquarters concludes that the primary responsibility for achieving growth and equitable development lies with the developing countries.

The report, written by a panel of internationally recognized leaders in business, development economics and government from both the industrialized and developing world, says countries mired in poverty are almost always victims of their own bad domestic policies.

The panel, headed by Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, says the eradication of poverty is dependent on domestic policy reforms that would spur local business.

In unveiling the report, Prime Minister Martin called it an example of fresh thinking on ridding the world of poverty. "Make no mistake, this is a new pillar of development. Unleashing local private enterprise supported by strong indigenous domestic and democratic institutions," he said.

The Canadian leader said new solutions are needed to attack poverty because, despite great progress over the past 50 years, a fifth of all people on earth are living on less than $1 a day. "For too long, development specialists have overlooked or downplayed the role of indigenous entrepreneurship in creating badly needed economic growth, providing employment, and increasing the quality of life in many countries," he said.

Former Mexican President Zedillo, an economist who is currently director of the Center on Globalization at Yale University, says unless entrepreneurship is allowed to blossom, progress in alleviating poverty will be impossible, even when all other ingredients for economic growth are in place. "In many developing countries, the private sector fails to rise to its potential in creating wealth and defeat[ing] poverty because property rights aren't truly protected, and government regulation of businesses is excessive and of bad quality," he said.

The panel's conclusions are certain to be controversial. They sparked a barrage of questions from skeptical journalists, many of whom openly disagreed with the findings.

Lending his full weight to the conclusions, however, was Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who sat between the co-chairman during their press briefing. In brief remarks, he congratulated the panel for outlining a series of concrete steps for eradicating poverty in developing countries.

Mark Malloch Brown, U.N. Development Program administrator and a driving force behind the panel's work, said the conclusions were evidence of secretary general's influence in changing the world body's ideological outlook. "I think this is part of the continued intellectual revolution you have led at the United Nations. This wouldn't have happened a few years ago," he said. "A group sitting around you at the podium in the press room, announcing a report on the private sector. Ernesto [Zedillo] would, at different points in our deliberations, say 'it's almost as extraordinary where we're sitting to be talking about these issues as what we're saying.'"

The panel concludes that while there is no one solution for all poor countries, the primary responsibility for eradicating poverty lies with local governments. In saying so, the panel members seem to be suggesting a shift in the world body's economic philosophy.

In his summary, co-chairman Ernesto Zedillo said the message is precise, and should be compelling: poverty will remain intractable in countries lacking a vigorous private sector. Therefore, impediments to its development must be removed.

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Even the United Nations has realized that the key to eliminating poverty in the world involes embracing Capitalism over Socialism. We have won a great victory!
  
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UN Panel Endorses Entrepreneurship as Key to Eradicating Poverty
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02 Mar 2004, 00:15 UTC

A United Nations Commission...

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Even the United Nations has realized that the key to eliminating poverty in the world involes embracing Capitalism over Socialism. We have won a great victory!
An interesting conclusion about an article which doesn't mention the words "capitalism" or "socialism" once.



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An interesting conclusion about an article which doesn't mention the words "capitalism" or "socialism" once.
Of course not. To actually utter the words would be too painful, hence the use of weasel words:

"entrepreneurship" = capitalism

"bad domestic policies" = socialism

"Unleashing local private enterprise supported by strong indigenous domestic and democratic institutions" = free market + rule of law = capitalism

"poverty will remain intractable in countries lacking a vigorous private sector." = socialism kills

"Therefore, impediments to its development must be removed." = remove socialism
  
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Of course not. To actually utter the words would be too painful, hence the use of weasel words:

"entrepreneurship" = capitalism

"bad domestic policies" = socialism

"Unleashing local private enterprise supported by strong indigenous domestic and democratic institutions" = free market + rule of law = capitalism

"poverty will remain intractable in countries lacking a vigorous private sector." = socialism kills

"Therefore, impediments to its development must be removed." = remove socialism


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I think some better definitions are:

"entrepreneurship" = entrepreneurship

"bad domestic policies" = bad domestic policies

"Unleashing local private enterprise supported by strong indigenous domestic and democratic institutions" = Unleashing local private enterprise supported by strong indigenous domestic and democratic institutions

"poverty will remain intractable in countries lacking a vigorous private sector." = poverty will remain intractable in countries lacking a vigorous private sector

"Therefore, impediments to its development must be removed." = Therefore, impediments to its development must be removed


You may wish to read it as a secretly coded message, but I think you'll find it's just another UN statement.

I also happen to agree with the UN statement.



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You may wish to read it as a secretly coded message, but I think you'll find it's just another UN statement.
So they describe capitalism completely but don't use the actual word, and you think they mean something else?

Maybe you'd prefer they call them apitalism-cay and ocialism-say?
  
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So they describe capitalism completely but don't use the actual word, and you think they mean something else?

Maybe you'd prefer they call them apitalism-cay and ocialism-say?
No, I think they mean what they say in the statement - I don't think there's a secret message for the illuminati hidden in it. It's a simple enough statement.



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No, I think they mean what they say in the statement
Right -- that an economic system that looks, talks, quacks like capitalism (but don't dare call it that) is required for prosperity while an economic system that looks, talks, quacks like socialism (but don't dare call it that) is tantamount to poverty.

It's ok -- I fully understand why you can't come out and say it.
  
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Right -- that an economic system that looks, talks, quacks like capitalism (but don't dare call it that) is required for prosperity while an economic system that looks, talks, quacks like socialism (but don't dare call it that) is tantamount to poverty.

It's ok -- I fully understand why you can't come out and say it.
I agree that the UN is saying that developing countries should embrace capitalism to free them sleves of poverty.
I do however, think that if it was that easy they would have done it by now, and that the UN will do shit to help the developing countries join them in capitalism as they are all buisness men, whose livilhoods and flash cars depend on the exploitation of the poor sods in the developing countries.
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sure, lets send more jobs their way...it's not like america needs them.



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sure, lets send more jobs their way...it's not like america needs them.

With America's unemployment below the average rate of the three decades, that's true.
  
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Right -- that an economic system that looks, talks, quacks like capitalism (but don't dare call it that) is required for prosperity while an economic system that looks, talks, quacks like socialism (but don't dare call it that) is tantamount to poverty.

It's ok -- I fully understand why you can't come out and say it.
If that's the spin you want to put on their statement, that's up to you. Just realise that it's spin.



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Right -- that an economic system that looks, talks, quacks like capitalism (but don't dare call it that) is required for prosperity while an economic system that looks, talks, quacks like socialism (but don't dare call it that) is tantamount to poverty.

It's ok -- I fully understand why you can't come out and say it.

Good post!



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I do however, think that if it was that easy they would have done it by now
It isn't that easy to institute free markets and rule of law in countries that have never known them. The institutional and civil infrastructure aren't there.

And since most countries in the UN are dictatorships, it's no great surprise that the UN is not friendly towards freedom, democracy, and capitalism. When those things thrive, it is a living rebuke to the squalid gangster regimes that make up most of the UN.

The UN is an organization where Libya is on the Human Rights commission and Iraq was on the WMD limitations commission. What can we really expect?
  
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If that's the spin you want to put on their statement, that's up to you. Just realise that it's spin.
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the UN will do shit to help the developing countries join them in capitalism as they are all buisness men, whose livilhoods and flash cars depend on the exploitation of the poor sods in the developing countries.

dude, can you pass me whatever you're smokin'?

there are virtually no businessmen at the UN
and the few 'businessmen' there are, aren't the kind that thrive in entrepreneurial settings, but rather use government connections to stifle any competition

you're spot on with the exploitation part though
  
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Of course not. To actually utter the words would be too painful, hence the use of weasel words:

"entrepreneurship" = capitalism
A dictionary would have helped you just that bit more Dgg9...

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cap·i·tal·ism
n.

An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

Refer: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=capitalism
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en·tre·pre·neur
n.

A person who organizes, operates, and assumes the risk for a business venture.

Refer: http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...trepreneurship
In lamens terms...
The only thing really similar is that both of these words are "nouns" - "naming words"...

Personally, I'ved never heard of a "entrepreneur" (aka; a person), as a description for a "economic theory", and...
I've never heard of "Capitalism" (aka; Economic THEORY), as a description of a 'person'.

A 'person' would be described as a "Capitalist".

and of course,.. one needs to understand what a "theory" in itself is;
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the·o·ry
n. pl. the·o·ries

1) A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
2) Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
4) An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
Hence, a "theory" does not necessarily conclude, or result in, a 'provable' "FACT".
Its a 'belief', of the relative person at hand.

So Dgg9, "entrepreneurship = capitalism" is yet another creation of your limited scope in ideas.


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A person who organizes, operates, and assumes the risk for a business venture.

how the hell that dictionary misses the part about reaping the profits for the business venture is interesting.

in a socialist system the state assumes the risk for a business venture, so entrepreneurism is impossible. so the more logical statement would be that a capitalist economy is required for entrepreneurism to develop
  
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