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there ya go, they rolled up in a guys flat who was selling weed, (drug?? lol) which hardly makes him a drug dealer... then they tried to rob him, so he stabbed the fucker in the thigh... case closed, let him go. | |
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That's bullshit Billy. In fact, as Red posts, the circumstances are a far cry from what you say is default and obvious.
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looks like they were trying to steal his weed... hes a hero for killing one of them. | |
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Sidenote: A samurai sword is not a foot long knife. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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Add the fact that he's a drug dealer, and he lost credibility with the jury, most likely. Bismarck once said "Fools say they like to learn from their experiences, but I prefer to learn from the experience of others."
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Originally Posted by John Preston All it takes is a split second to point and shoot in comparison to a sword, which takes much more time. | You haven't trained much with a gun in close quarters, have you? | |
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he did what i said he probably did.
they broke in looking to rob him and he stabbed one in self defense. case closed, release him. | |
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV Add the fact that he's a drug dealer, and he lost credibility with the jury, most likely. | Drug dealer? he sells weed, hanst marijuana been decriminalized in the UK? Thatd make him an independant distributer. | |
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV I think the problem is that not all of the information is available. If it was simply a man bashed through his door, advanced on him, and he stabbed him, then, certainly, he was within his right. | But not within his "rights" as they exist, sadly, in the UK right now. That's kind of the whole point. The fundamental right to self defense, which in this country we regard as one of those "of course" sort of things, is being extinguished in the UK. | |
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Obviously, you hawks won't change your minds. WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE EVIDENCE. We are not the jury. If you believe in the judicial system at all, you'd accept the ruling. I disagreed with the Martha Stewart verdict, but, that's the judicial system for you. She was convicted by a jury, case closed. Bismarck once said "Fools say they like to learn from their experiences, but I prefer to learn from the experience of others."
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Originally Posted by Peter Is that reasonable force?, was the gun even loaded, was it a replica (yes, he would still be regarded as armed), did the guy know it was a replica gun? | Again, the article didn't say "replica." Presumably by the time this news article came out, that would have been known.
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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd looks like they were trying to steal his weed... hes a hero for killing one of them. | As much as we all love weed, I don't think he's a hero because they tried to steal his weed and he killed one. He should be regarded admirably because they threatened him in his house. We don't do things like kill for stealing in civilised countries, we punish them, heck, we don't even cut their hands off. Nor do I think we should kill them etc. Threatening someone in their home with a gun is the worse crime. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd he did what i said he probably did.
they broke in looking to rob him and he stabbed one in self defense. case closed, release him. | Erm, nope, he let them in and then they threatened the guy with a gun. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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Originally Posted by Peter As much as we all love weed, I don't think he's a hero because they tried to steal his weed and he killed one. He should be regarded admirably because they threatened him in his house. We don't do things like kill for stealing in civilised countries, we punish them, heck, we don't even cut their hands off. Nor do I think we should kill them etc. Threatening someone in their home with a gun is the worse crime. | which is exactly why he is a hero, he killed someone who brandished a gun and threatend his life. | |
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Originally Posted by Peter Erm, nope, he let them in and then they threatened the guy with a gun. | He opend the door to one and 3 came in. This is called forced entry. Then they held guns to him, he reacted.. he managed to kill one, but the other 3 got away he is still a hero though. | |
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV Obviously, you hawks won't change your minds. WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE EVIDENCE. We are not the jury. If you believe in the judicial system at all, you'd accept the ruling. I disagreed with the Martha Stewart verdict, but, that's the judicial system for you. She was convicted by a jury, case closed. | how many innocent people have been sentenced to prison or death by a jury? | |
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Originally Posted by dgg9 Again, the article didn't say "replica." Presumably by the time this news article came out, that would have been known.
You have to go by what the article says and no more. There's no basis for speculation. | Again?, pardon, where do you get again from, you aren't countering a point I've made "again". The article says, and I quote, "armed intruder", "armed with a gun" and "firearms offences", no where did the original article say the gun was loaded or wasn't a replica sine all of these things are also said about replicas being used, its still regarded as armed robbery. The lack of detail in the original article leaves a lot of room for speculation, that's why detail is better, then you can only go by what the article says, otherwise yes, there is basis for speculation. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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the 2nd article says there was a gun found in thier get-away vehicle.. wow they had a get-away vehicle i wonder what they were there to do? | |
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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd He opend the door to one and 3 came in. This is called forced entry. Then they held guns to him, he reacted.. he managed to kill one, but the other 3 got away he is still a hero though. | Actually to me it looks like they were invited inside because they wanted to buy drugs and their purpose of robbing wasn't revealed until they had been invited inside, that isn't forced entry if there were no threats and he invited them in for a business transaction, that's not quite forced entry.
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