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thoughts of killing and the like - 11-19-01

if you could see into the future and know that i was never to hurt or kill myself or others, is there any actual harm in contemplating? is the contemplation of violent actions destructive in themselves or is it the action that actually matters? can thoughts be bad/wrong if nothing will come of it?


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11-19-01

I hope not as I do it for time to time in a sexual sense rather than just born from anger or aggression.


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11-19-01

does that mean that you're never going to have sex in the future, or just not sex like in your thoughts?


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11-19-01

Like in my thoughts.


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11-19-01

i'm just going to assume the worst [i.e. bad bad things] because it'll go better with the killing my killing thing. if fantasising about it means that you're not going to commit it i think that's better. but if we're never to do it anyway, i honestly don't see the harm in it. i wonder what the general pop thinks?


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11-19-01

agressive tendencies in the mind are a normal thing... thats what imagination is for, to dream up possibilities and explore the consequences without actually having to deal with them since ave yet to actually DO them...

this is were the idea of a conscience came from


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11-19-01

I think if the same thought involving the same person(s) occurs too frequently, then the thought is damaging because it means you are more likely to do it.

but I don't think thoughts are damaging.As errantrogue said, its normal to use the imagination to dream up possibilites and explore the consequences without actually having to deal with them since it is all but a imaginative thought.



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11-22-01

Ahh. but do not the thoughts maketh the man? and actions confirm such?
  
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11-22-01

Yeah, its perfectly normal isnt it?

Just part of the imagination, etc.

If you readthe work of certain authors, you begin to wonder about it though.


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12-14-01

Maybe in the opposite: How often does someone's "positive thoughts" matter? For example, how signifigant is it really that someone cares, that someone loves, that someone thinks of you... For many people, this is the only thing in life that they strive for...recognition, adknowledgement in another's mind. If it works in the positive light, it must work on the negative as well....how offended are they when they know that they are hated, that someone wants to kill them. Of course, though, "they" are the ones that judge you by your thoughts, not your actions...... People can be classified. Yet we all judge ourselves by our thoughts, to some extent, don't we? Guilt, honest, shame, pride, etc....these are mostly built upon ideas of ourselves... We blame ourselves for our thoughts. How often does what someone else *thinks* truly affect what you think of yourself?

Then what is it to use as an excuse, "I was not thinking." Maybe the act itself requires no thought at all.......
  
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12-14-01

Thoughts are just that, thoughts. We all have bad thoughts. As long as they aren't acted upon, they are fine. It helps purge our minds of stress. When they can't be controlled, it ends up in the news, another human gone postal. I think about it all the time. I would never cause harm to others....unless I find the perfect, clean method of extermination, then.........


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Re: thoughts of killing and the like - 12-14-01

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if you could see into the future and know that i was never to hurt or kill myself or others, is there any actual harm in contemplating? is the contemplation of violent actions destructive in themselves or is it the action that actually matters? can thoughts be bad/wrong if nothing will come of it?
It is said than when someone smiles, he gives himself more minutes of his life but when he hates, he just removes days, weeks.


I want to live in a world of peace
Without conflict, like the one I’ve seen in my dreams.
I just can’t keep it inside
I’ve gotta say what I wanna say
Your face doesn’t show your fighting pose.
  
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12-16-01

It is said than when someone smiles, he gives himself more minutes of his life but when he hates, he just removes days, weeks.

so i can smile for weeks and then have one bad thought and all my work would have been in vain. oh the woes of mortality huh?


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12-16-01

Yes. The woes of mortality.


I want to live in a world of peace
Without conflict, like the one I’ve seen in my dreams.
I just can’t keep it inside
I’ve gotta say what I wanna say
Your face doesn’t show your fighting pose.
  
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12-17-01

If a person is judged by their thoughts, we are all condemned. To think of an action is not to be guilty of such. I've had thoughts in my head that would make the weak-hearted flee in terror. I've even written such thoughts out so I could read them aloud. Once exorcised thus, I was freed of the grip of them.

No one can control what they think. To do so would be to deny oneself.


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12-17-01

True. I agree.


I want to live in a world of peace
Without conflict, like the one I’ve seen in my dreams.
I just can’t keep it inside
I’ve gotta say what I wanna say
Your face doesn’t show your fighting pose.
  
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12-19-01

i couldn't kill or harm a person no matter how much i wanted to. i'm too nice i guess.
  
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12-19-01

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i couldn't kill or harm a person no matter how much i wanted to. i'm too nice i guess.
You'd be surprised of what you'd be capable of if the situation demanded it...


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12-19-01

true that's so very true. like if someone harmed my friend or siblings. i mostly likely would react violently if i was provoked to.
  
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It is dangerous when... - 12-27-01

...thinking about it no longer gives you a thrill, if in fact that is what you you are referring to when contemplating the act. The process of snowballing is how some people become killers, such as Ted Bundy. He freely admitted to reading detective magazines where the general theme revolved around the killing and raping of woman. When reading about the act ceased to be gratifing, he said he felt complused to act out on his thoughts and fantasies. He said this in an interview the day before his execution.
  
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