God's existence is shown by creation, as well as other things. But if one see's creation, one realizes that it's obviously complex. All of these things are driven by information. The entire universe is based on Information. Information comes from somewhere: it does not just appear. Think of the universe as a computer. Though the computer is full of information, and even requires the info to run, the computer's ability to create info is limiteed. In fact, the computer cannot create info. It can only process the info it is given, and run on it. It is the same with the universe. The universe can only run based on the info, it can't create it.

Someone or something had to create the universe. No amount of chance could do it. Matter and energy cannot have always existed. Why? because as energy is converted to heat, it is lost to the universe and is no longer available for use. In this way "energy is used up". Therefore the universe has a limited amount of available energy. This available amount is obviously not growing. The universe must have had a beggining.

Evolution, in its atempt to formulate a non-personal begining theory, cannot acount for how the matter and energy of the universe came into being. Evolutionary theory can try and show how the universe came from a small amount of matter, small in the sense of one tightly packed atom or particle cloud, etc. But it cannot explain where that cloud or atom came from. There must have been something that created the atom, and the matter n energy must have been created from nothing.

There are two options for who might have created the universe and all that is in it. Either it was some impersonal force, or it was some God-like being. An impersonal force isn't capable of doing it. Why? because it is impersonal. What i mean by impersonal is that it holds no emotion and that it helps no one-it doesn't care. How could an impersonal force create a world with beings that display emotion? How could an impersonal force Create emotion itself? It is impossible.

The only thing left is a God. From here one must choose which one. There are Many so-called God's in the world. There are many religeons. What distinguishes God from the Rest? Many religeons are based on someone who is dead. Jesus Christ is alive, Budha is not. Most religeons are based on the events of the past. This is also true for Christianity, but it is not only based on the past-it is based on the future as well, because we look for the final Triuph of Christ and an eternity with Him. Evn the present is Covered in Christianity, because God is always with us and will never forsake us. As Christians are in a relationship with God, He has left us the Holy Spirit to guide us. Because other religeons are based on some part of History/future, they are unable to encompass the whole of life and invalidate themselves.

By using both god and creation in your argument you invalidate it. You cannot start a logical argument with what you are trying to prove (creation) already in it. You need something based on reality that everyone can agree on in the argument. I do not understand your jump from complexity to information. Complexity is subjective, like good, evil, beauty and ugliness, so it doesn't really do much for an argument.
If you want to use a computer analogy, think of this. If god is omniscient, or all knowing, when trying to think of something, compare his memory to a computer's memory, he would get caught in an infinate loop. If god knows everything, he would have to know everything he was going to think next. He would also have to anticipate himself knowing everything that he was going to think next. Some computer viruses work like this, creating an infinate loop.
Why did someone or something have to create the universe? Heat is energy, if you weren't aware. Theoreticaly, both matter and energy can be changed into the other. Someone or something had to create the universe. I was also under the impression that the universe was expanding.
The universe does not have to have a beginning, and if you are one of the people who like to "quote" the second law of thermodynamics, I'll be waiting.
Evolution is not an atempt to formulate a non personal beginning. Science does not give a rats ass about personal or impersonal. Because I don't accept your proof that the universe isn't eternal, I don't accept that the first cloud had to come from anywhere. Where did god come from, by the way?
Jesus Christ is alive? You saw him at WalMart, didn't you? Was he with Elvis? You bail out on the whole logical approach by the end of your speech. Other religions have so called prophecized as well, so your argument that christianity is of the future as well is nonsense. You are confusing your terms. What does "covered" mean exactly? First things are "covered" through scripture, then through prophecy (also in scripture) then you jump to personal faith. God always being with you? That's how christianity covers the present? Your reasoning behind ditching other religions is all garbage, and I'm sure you see that. You had a decent argument until you had to convince us christianity was right. My guess is mommy and daddy told you it was, end of story.

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Sorry. I cut and pasted the post before mine onto my reply area in order to argue against each point easier. I left the "someone or something had to create the universe" line in by mistake. I do not agree with that statement. If you look up you'll see it is directly from someone else's reply. Once again, it was just a careless mistake.

god is not proven, mystic you cant prove him, i cant prove him and your arguments are hypocrytical because you try and argue that god must exist because some one had to create the universe, and that will always come down to who created god. as far as dissing other religions these are some interesting facts about the storys in your bible.
you can look up these religions on the net and look into the legends i mention here. they're storys along the same lines you find in your bible only they existed hundreds of years before the hebrews could even write
the sumerian religion has a story of a flood that was sent by a god named enlil to destroy human kind but one man and his family was spared. the egyptians had a similar story of a flood that was going to kill human kind until osiris decided to stop the flood sparing very little humans. both these storys existed more than a thousand years before the hewbrew religion was even born. now there is a story of the same sort in your bible its about this guy noah, the sumerians also had a story about these people that lived in a sacred garden but they were kicked out for eating forbidden plants this again is a story that existed long before the story of adam and eve in your bible.

Forgiven by me.

Does anyone know about Adam's first wife, "Lilith"?

Never heard of a LILITH in my life. Wasn't he a bit busy with eve? (Of course, how should i know, you might not even be talking about Adam and EVE.)

I've heard of Lilith, the christians don't want to talk about her or the dead sea scrolls. It destroyes their pathetic beliefs.

Has anyone actually read the bible? Go read genesis. It's incoherant. People come from nowhere, it contradicts itself in the order of creation, and there are still traces of polytheism in it (despite the churches attempts to hide it) The first jews believed in more than one god, but they thought their god, yahweh, who is now the christian god, too, was superior to the other gods. After adamn and eve eat the apple, god says something like "now theyll be like us." In context, it doesn't make sense because the church changes all the places it said gods to god. If the bible is gods word than it seems one of five things is possible, but of couse there can be other options, or it can be a combination of these-
1. god thinks we are idiots and wrote the bible at a second grade reading level. This doesn't explain the mistakes and contradictions.
2. god inspired a retarded person, or group of retarded people, to write the bible. This may explain the errors within the bible.
3. I am retarded and cannot follow the story correctly. It makes perfect sense for adam and eve, the only people in existence, to have two children, who then get married to other people that came from nowhere. Also, there really was a flaming sword defending the garden of eden. There are no errors in the bible, I am just slow.
4. god is retarded and cannot come up with a fluid story without errors. he probably also reads very poorly. This would explain the problems in the bible.
5. Retarded men, with no divine help or inspiration, wrote the bible. This not only explains the contradictions but makes the most sense.

Lilith is part of an ancient hebrew mythology outdating christianity by at least a thousand years..... there were no christians until after and during christs life.....

I left out another option-
6. The bible was once a respectable piece of literature, but the church chose retarded people to translate it for them. This can slove the issues of its incoherantness, but says nothing of how or who wrote it first.

I don't know much about the dead sea scrolls. I find that most the information about them comes from christian theologians and the like, who have great reason to be subjective and bend the facts. Please, tell us more about what you know about them.

God? Ok.....yeah. This god who is so loving, will damn you to hell for eternity, still saying that he loves you. By the way who said that god was a "he"?

i just have to say that i really like what heathen is posting because it's rationale but anyways another interesting thing in genesis is when yahweh says "we must not let them eat from the tree of everlasting life or they will become like us" wich is very akward and ive asked people about it and they cant seem to understand why its worded like that. and all throughout the old testament god acknowleges the existence of other dieties but in isaiah he turns around and says there are no other dieties.

he ate them *BELCH*....

he doesnt claim hes the only one he only demands that the isralites worship him an not other gods. thats very different from saying there are no other gods. that doesnt happen until isaiah

wow..that took me like 2 minutes to read!

how can you say we dont know everything about god. you know absolutely nothing about god. the christian faith is based on myth and legend if this constitutes knowlege then why not worship budah or zeus. this is why "jesus loving fool" is a term that makes sense. just like zeus loving fool makes sense.

I'm a Dyshade loving fool..... hey I capatilized it.... all others are heathens..... hey wait.... i am a heathen

ROFL yes!