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Terrorism - 07-07-05

I do not understand why people think terrorism solves problems which they have with the world at large. Simple logic dictates that force is often met with force. All terrorism creates is a cycle of violence which can only be ended by striking down the source of said terrorism.

Those who are relying on terrorism will fine out much to thier dismay that this equation will slowly be played out. It will not grant thier wishes like some bloody and hellish genie. Terrorism may create fear but that fear does not automatically equate to cowering. In fact it leads to the automatic human reaction to lash out at the targets which create this fear.

Civilization will win out in the end as it always has even if disrupted for a small time. Things may change but never in the way that those who use terrorism think that it shall. Terrorism is nothing but a desperate attempt to cause fear within us all where ever we may live. The only answer is to exterminate completely those who would use it to further thier own personal agendas. Even if that means killing them; after all it is a language that they understand.

I do think that our governments are going about thier "war" all wrong. These terrorist cells and groups all have heads which can and should be cut off. Our governments are guilty of letting them be and should be held accountable for this and thier laxness in allowing them to breathe even another breath.

George Bush especially should be held accountable for allowing his personal agenda against Iraq to get in the way of the actual problem which was in front of him when the events of 9/11 occured. The United States has been split in two because of his personal agendas. This "war" could be going much better and the events today in London may have been avoided if the United States had used all of its resources to fight the real enemy.

His stupidity and personal agendas are allowing us to every day live knowing that those who partook and orchestrated the events of 9/11 are still free and plotting even more events.



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07-07-05

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This "war" could be going much better and the events today in London...

And not to forget Madrid...

I agree, violence only leads to more violence
But these terrorists also have a higher goal, a holy one, besides political issues.
They might be much harder to "fight"/"solve"/"make peace with" as even among the Islam are many different branches who fight eachother with terrorist attacks (see Iraq...)

I dunno, it's al so very frustrating


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07-07-05

A holy goal is no higher than a personal one as it is also nothing more than a shared personal goal. It can be fought. If you destroy all those who adhere to those principles of terrorism you do not have to fight nor fear anymore.

Yes it is frustrating. I did not forget Madrid nor the occurences every day in Iraq now that we have made that a battleground. Which was exactly the wrong thing to do. As I stated our governments went about this war all wrong due to a few individual agendas clouding the issues.



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I heard a statistic that claimed that there are around 20 wars going on in the world all the time. Conflict is part of human interaction. Ergo, war....

Also, this seems quite apparent, but hasn't clearly been said here yet: while one side views their war as a holy war, they also view their opponents as the terrorists..... so who's the real terrorist and who's fighting for the "proper" civilization? While the 9/11 attack might have been a terrorist attack, in many ways, they only view it as retaliation. In other words, THEY didn't start it... THEY were retaliating. Of course, 99% of us over in the West would disagree with that, but you can't deny that different perspectives (truths) exist around different parts of the globe...


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I heard a statistic that claimed that there are around 20 wars going on in the world all the time. Conflict is part of human interaction. Ergo, war....

Also, this seems quite apparent, but hasn't clearly been said here yet: while one side views their war as a holy war, they also view their opponents as the terrorists..... so who's the real terrorist and who's fighting for the "proper" civilization? While the 9/11 attack might have been a terrorist attack, in many ways, they only view it as retaliation. In other words, THEY didn't start it... THEY were retaliating. Of course, 99% of us over in the West would disagree with that, but you can't deny that different perspectives (truths) exist around different parts of the globe...
retaliating for what??? Saving thier asses from the Russians???? giving them the knowledge and capability to protect themselves from foriegn aggressors???? what exactly were they retaliating for??? to these terrorists we are infidels who deserve death as is according to thier gods will.....

According to my stringent logic they deserve no mercy and need to be stamped completely out of existence as it is the only way to stop this cycle of violence..... the jews had it right in ancient israel when they completely eradicated thier enemies down to the last person..... there can be no vengeance if noone is left to perform it......

I can see truth if that truth includes tolerance and the respect of individual rights to live and breath..... they do not preach this.....



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I heard a statistic that claimed that there are around 20 wars going on in the world all the time. Conflict is part of human interaction. Ergo, war....

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If we live by statistics we perpetuate those same statistics.... hey.... 10% of American men say its ok to rape a womam.... I guess that makes it ok for me to do it as well.... screw statistics.... yes there will always be conflicts raging but we do not need to add to it unless it is needed.... I only wish Bush would shove his personal agendas up his ass and do the right thing....



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I do not understand why people think terrorism solves problems which they have with the world at large. Simple logic dictates that force is often met with force. All terrorism creates is a cycle of violence which can only be ended by striking down the source of said terrorism.
In the case of the Islamic fundamentalists, they honestly believe killing infadels is the will of Allah and doing so will earn them a place in paradise. Winning or losing means little to them. They want to either establish Islam as the one ruling force in the world, or die trying. Either way they end up with their 72 virgins in the afterlife.

Of course, allied with these are people who only feign belief in Islam, and use these fundamentaliss to further their own quests for power, revenge, or whatever. I reckon these people believe there will always be killing, and that it's ok as long as it doesn't happen to them or their kin. Perhaps they enjoy killing as well.
  
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In the case of the Islamic fundamentalists, they honestly believe killing infadels is the will of Allah and doing so will earn them a place in paradise. Winning or losing means little to them. They want to either establish Islam as the one ruling force in the world, or die trying. Either way they end up with their 72 virgins in the afterlife.

Of course, allied with these are people who only feign belief in Islam, and use these fundamentaliss to further their own quests for power, revenge, or whatever. I reckon these people believe there will always be killing, and that it's ok as long as it doesn't happen to them or their kin. Perhaps they enjoy killing as well.
I will be happy to help them to thier 72 virgins....... they can find allah at the end of my .357



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07-10-05

The difference about our agenda and that of those involved in 9/11, is simple yet complex.

It does boil down to fighting aganst governments rather than civilian targets. You can debate about how bad or good seeking the terrorists out, but you can also consider them as their own government. A stockbroker on the other hand, whats he done wrong?


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