Jesus Christ, man... are you kidding me? Are you just insanely jealous the man owns two huge sports franchises and could buy and sell you ten times over?

Furthermore, Manchester United is one of the top teams in the Premier League. What does a jew owning it have to do with anything?

Once one is taken in by conspiracy theories involving the great jewish agenda anything and everything can and will be attributed to them. Did you see that mouse fart.... it was because a goddamn jew manipulated it to..... damn jews.....

How can you stand this inane crap over and over and over again? I'm so glad I'm not an admin. I'd be jacking that ban button off like a motherfucker.

Well lets look at some PROFESSIONAL insight to this case of what is what and how is how.---

This is Topf Engineer Fritz Sander--
""[...]Question: Tell us about your invention of the crematorium for mass incineration!
Answer: As leading engineer of the company Topf I led the crematorium building, whose chief was Prüfer. The latter told me in 1942, the exact time I no longer remember, during a conversation about the capacity of the crematoria [plural] which had been erected at Auschwitz concentration camp, that these could not manage the number of bodies to be burned. He gave as an example that they introduced two or three corpses into the introduction openings, but the crematorium [singular] could nevertheless not take care of the workload accruing in concentration camps [plural].
Thereupon I, as a specialist in the area of heating, decided on my own initiative to build a crematorium which had a higher capacity for burning corpses.
In November 1942 I was finished with my project of a crematorium for the mass burning of corpses and submitted this project to the state patent office in Berlin.
The crematorium for mass incineration should be developed after the principle of the assembly line, and into the oven corpses should be incessantly introduced for cremation by mechanical means.
The corpses should get into the oven under the load of their own weight, falling by themselves upon the grid on a fireproof surface with an inclination of 40 degrees and burning under the effect of the fire. The corpses themselves were to serve as an additional source of fuel.
This patent could not be officially registered at the state patent office because due to the war it had a confidential character, but my invention was applied in practice, and the number [of the patent-] was communicated to me. ""


PLEASE NOTE---- THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL CREMATORIUM ENGINEER WHO HELPED BUILD THE AUSCHWITZ CREMATORIES!!!---
""The corpses themselves were to serve as an additional source of fuel. ""

An ADDITIONAL Source of FUEL!!

Thank you. Argument over.

No, Dyshade. Everyone knows that you've just been brainwashed by the great Jew Mind Machine. Please stop trying to deny that.

All your base are belong to jew.

so what where the muffles made of?



I disagree!

Coal / Gas / Coke / Oil are all used as fuel because they have a very low combustion temperature, that's why their called fuel and used as fuel!

Human bodies have a very high combustion temperature, and hence they require large amounts of FUEL (coal / gas etc) to completely combust, and hence to completely burn a body you must have enough fuel. You cannot light a corpse and then watch it burn by itself.

In addition, bones do not combust!

After cremation, the bone fragment remain (about 5lb) and are crushed and presented to the relatives in a casket! So in the case of Auschwitz, their must be (5 * 1 million lbs) of bone fragments knocking around somewhere. This is an immense amount of material, so where is it? and also how did they get the bone fragments out the ovens when they said the ovens were going 24/7?????

As you don't believe me, check the experts! Go and ask someone at the crematorium about the details. Also check or write to the Crematorium Associations in North America, they will tell you.

I disagree again!

To keep a steady temperature, you need to have a steady supply of fuel and heat!



The 'coffins' as you put it are caskets made of highly combustable material. The casket takes literally minutes to combust, most of the 1.5 - 2 hours is taken up with trying to burn the body.

So, as you think your'e the expert, why don't you tell us what those 'Topf' Ovens were made of and how they worked.

No, i'm not jealous of anyone with huge amounts of money!

Manchester United are currently losing their supporters faster than water flowing over Niagra.

Every sports club in the world relies upon it's fans for revenue. Once the fans dissapear, then ADIOS AMIGO!

Glaser may think he's bought a good investment, but seriously, gate receipts this season are way down so far, and their heading south until Glazer get's lost!

It's one of the biggest sports franchises in the world. They're winning. And all the televised games are sold out.

Stop turning everything into a part of your anti-Jew campaign.

Not really!

Fritz Sander most probabley had his balls chopped off, and hence to save his own life and his family's lives, he consented to giving such a statement.

You see, when extreme violence is used on people, they will tell you anything you want to hear, or they will sign any statement you put in front of them.

The big thing about the 'Holocaust' is that it has never been debated, either in a court of law (with the exception of Zundels 1985 and 1988 trials), or it has never been debated in public, on TV or anywhere for that matter. Why?

The reason why I decided to study the subject was because of the violence perpetrated against people who merely debated the issue. Whhen I saw the violence and commited by commies and jews, I straight away smelt a rat, as if someone was not quite right!

If someone wrote a book about the Katyn forest massacre, or the gulags in Siberia setup by commie Stalin, then it's highly unlikely they will be attacked with acid or be beaten up, or have bombs put through their post.

why are people forced to believe in the 'Holocaust'?



As for your article, it's easy to see the mistake if you study the procedures in cremation. The article states that 'human bodies were used as fuel'. As iv'e mentioned and as any crematorium expert will tell you, human bodies cannot be used as fuel, they need coal/oil/gas/wood as a source of fuel.

yes, your'e right about Man U being one the biggest sport franchises.

However, things can change.

I remember back in the 70's that a certain English club - Leeds United were also one of the biggest! And more recently, Arsenal and Liverpool.

Seriously, iv'e heard many fans are leaving and are joining this new club FCUM. Iv'e also heard from across the water, that gates across the premiership in general are down.


another thing, I don't hate jews, and this is not an anti-jew campaign!

So you disagree with an expert. The man who engineered the ovens used during the war. He ENGINEERED and BUILT the ovens used in WW2 by the Germans. He is the expert not you nor I. His word is tantamount to absolute truth in the matter of the ovens and how they operated and yet you disagree.

I see than that there is no use continuing this debate as you are tossing expert and FIRST HAND accounts out the window. So continue to live in your fantasy land where the jewish monster exists to plunder everyones well being and I will continue to live in reality.

Once again; those who are reasoning and intuitive human beings will realize the absolute fallacy of your argument and understand historical fact and dismiss your propaganda and false; racist rhetoric.

So, I gotta know, and if you pointed it out already in the thread, excuse me, as I can't be bothered to read more racist tripe. But was the typo in the topic of this thread (UNder) accidental, or a cute little jab at the United Nations?

Oh This is Karl Schultze-- another of the engineers-- ANOTHER EXPERT--

""..]In this way I, together with Prüfer, also constructed and built the crematoria in Auschwitz concentration camp in 1942/43. I myself only built the part of the crematorium that belonged to the ventilation.
In this camp four crematoria were built during the mentioned period. In two of the crematoria there were five ovens each, and in each of these ovens three corpses were introduced, i.e. there were three openings (muffles) in one oven. Within one hour fifteen corpses could be burned in one crematorium with five ovens.
Question: In what respects did the construction of the crematoria installed in the concentration camps differ from the common crematoria installed by the company in various countries until 1933?
Answer: In the common crematoria there was only one huge opening (muffle), into which a coffin with one corpse could be introduced without difficulty. In the crematoria of the concentration camps the ovens had not one but three openings, and there were five ovens in one crematorium.
Thus in one concentration camp crematorium there were fifteen openings (muffles), instead of one like in a common crematorium.
In a common crematorium the corpse in the coffin was introduced into the opening by means of a movable car on rollers, but in the concentration camp crematoria the corpse was introduced into the muffle on a hand-carried litter.[...]""

3 corpses per muffle equals 20 minutes a corpse. Though there have been testimonies that sometimes they would shove up to 4 emaciated bodies into one opening which would burn in the same time due to the fact that the bodies were not of normal human wieght. That would equal 15 minutes a corpse with 5 ovens operating equals 20 corpses an hour per crematorium. That would be at max operation. Pretty fucking efficient mass slaughter that.

You just know that was friends obvious jab against the UN.

I disagree with your analysis!


Karl Schultze, Fritz Sander and many other people who testified just after the war about the 'Holocaust' were in fact under duress, i.e. to protect their own safety or their own family's safety they said what the jewish lobby wanted to hear.

Hoss, who they captured was forced to sign numerous confessions about many things. Just because he signed them confessions dosn't mean they are true, only that someone had put electrodes on his testicles to force him.

in my opinion - NO ONE SHOULD EVER USE VIOLENCE IN THE PROCESS OF JUSTICE!

Forced confessions and violence used to extract statements or testimony is not civialised behaviour.


As I said previosuly, you would need to factor the amount of fuel by the total number of bodies. Bodies are not fuel, so where does your fuel come from?

also, you claim that convection was used to combust the bodies! If you know your'e physics, then please explain how convection worked in the ovens and also please explain what material the ovens were constructed of?



....also here's a few other reports which demonstrates how the 1945 'Holocaust' claim was not a unique claim made by the jewish people. They also made the same claim that 6 million of their people were being massacred back in 1919, 1936 and again in 1938:


* "Six million men and women are dying ... eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, ... but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood. In this threatened holocaust of human life ..."
--The American Hebrew (New York, issue 582 of October 31, 1919)

* 1919: 6,000,000 - WW1 holocaust claim.(Martin H. Glynn in "American Hebrew")

* 1936: 6,000,000 - Jews claimed imprisoned.(Chaim Weizmann, later became Israeli PM)

* 1938: 6,000,000 - Suffering (three Jewish organisations were supporting the 6,000,000 Jewish victims who were suffering from political and economic distress in Central and Eastern Europe).

Could I please see some FORENSIC proof of these claims?

No, fr0g. The forensic labs are controlled by the jews.