okay, i was a little fucked up watching the Poltergeist, but i had this theory about the supernatural (or as I would like to address it, the Metaphysical).....

ENERGY: despite how you may define it, energy is that which creates, it sets in order a motion.....and motion, as you know, brings about change, or rather a creation...therefore; energy creates....

energy obviously exist in the Physical World, things we percieve as creation/motion/change involves energy in some form....

Does Energy Exist Within Us?

Yes! despite the Physical aspect of energy within us, movement, birth, desire, etc, Energy seems to be involved within our Subconscious.....after all, despite our consciousness involving energy, our subconsciousness also involves energy....

Now, thinking abstract, if energy is that which creates, and is that which could be considered Extremely Powerful, and if our subconscious entails energy, then could our subconscious create?

mmm this seems more metaphysical... by what premise do you define the ether of the universe?

haha, i myself think it physical, but enlight of my thinking here, i am open to it being metaphysical, which is where i am going with this......

|I dont believe it is energy.I`ve always thought of it was emotional stimuli romantised to such a extent that it is assumed to be supernatural.

im a science guy...soo... it is energy....but its just small pulses... thats the thoery right?

so it is energy, and energy is that which creates.....anyway, where i was going with this is is it possible for subconscoiusnesses to connect as our consciousnesses connect......such as you jnderstand what i wrote cause of my consciousness and your consciousness, can the subconsconsciousnes do the same thing with another subconsciousness? and is it possible for the subconsciousness to create something semi-physical, like dreams, where the consciousness can pick up on it.....such as a ghost?

What do you mean by dreams being semi-physical?

Then maybe we can discuss this...

in the sense that it doesn't truly exit physically, metaphysically however it does.......so, if physically we can witness dreams, ideas, etc (the mind); then could this in turn create itself before another person to experience instead.....

Perplexing. I can't say I've ever considered this. Though it seems somewhat doubtful. What would the outlet be for one subconsciousness to convey something to the other? You demonstrated that your consciousness can convey something to our consciousness through what you've told us here. That is an example of the outlet for your consciousness to convey things.

What's the outlet for the subconsciousness to convey things? Finding that, or if there is such an outlet or not, would answer your question I believe.

I think its the penal gland.It can be effected by sights, sounds and all the other senses to produce waking dreams. If you read enough books on the basic aids to magick rituals it lists provoking those senses. Aiding the senses also been experimented with promoting resluts from remote viewing trials and looks to work so far.

It's all just sex to you isn't it RedMeat. Penal glands, promoting resluts......is that the fem for restuds?

You mean like; as we communicate verbally we could be communicating subconsciously at the same time,thus creating energy and a manifestation of such?

Cool idea

Is that the what for what? Sex? Penal gland`s in the forehead...hey maybe thats where the term dickhead came from.

Sorry, I'm Aussie, we abbreviate allot. fem=feminine.
In my ignorance I'd only ever heard it refered to as the pineal gland and I picked up on a stupid typo(typing error),very Gestalt.......Okay, look, maybe it was all me, I had sex on the brain, but I actual think it was your subconscience having a bit of a chat with mine, okay.

and resluts/restuds?

I think you`re projecting in a overly freudian manner there.

The thing I hate more then my obscurity is having to explain it.........hmmm...could be a bumper sticker in there somewhere.

I think I'm just too weird for my own good.

finally, this thread got some recognition.......i thought it was a damn good theory! and it was mine, the result of vodka, pot, pills, and the subconsciousn perhaps.......anyway, yeah, i think that perhaps the subconscious can make others see how they want to, after all it our own subconscious makes us see shit from time to time

Hey six, I too have the same basis for many a fine theory. It would also explain any instant dislikes you have for individuals. Really bad subconscious communicators.
Sub 1,"Oh hi, how are you Subby?"
Sub 2,"Fuck orf" (which,as an aside, asks the question...How do you insult a subconscious?)
Would a subconscious have a (sub)conscience?, would it be able to lie? or would it be more bent toward a different reality and an abstraction of the id?

Okay, I've ranted enough, caffeine slowly works it's way outta my system. I'm enjoying thinking about it though Sixxx.
In my humble/uneducated(I hope it's not that obvious) opinion it's a excellent theory.

As someone who has a very comprehensive knowledge of physics (no really!) As nuclear reactors demonstrate (so it's not just theory!) all matter is composed of forces and forces = Energy...The amount of energy in any object is quantafiable by how much mass (also it's vectors e.g acceleration) it has..the equation E=MC2 covers the amount of energy of any given material object.

All objects with mass create gravity...this is a property of space/time that I won't discuss as it would have to be defined at great lengh and it's effects are still controvercial..Quantum physics has shown two particles can be entangled (e.g photons) so that they share the same properties no matter how far apart...move one, the other moves the same. In the world we see material objects seem quite solid but in the quantum view the universe is a swirling fluid mass of interacting energy....impossible to predict how we and our universe can interact...psychic or paranormal phenomena may be simply undiscovered connections.

Spontaneous applause.