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Straight talk from a Marine - 09-07-02

Subject: Straight Talk from Marine General
Good old military tough guy talk!
Speech by former ACC Commander, Gen Hawley:


"Since the attack, I have seen, heard, and read
thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be
addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are:

1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything
is relative."

Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing
is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves.
You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't mean, "We're
perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the
bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain
fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes
and blunders, always been and always will be, the
greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and
affection in history. If you need proof, open all the
borders on
Earth and see what happens. In about half a day, the
entire world would be a ghost town, and the United
States would look like one giant line to see "The
Producers."

2) "Violence only leads to more violence."

This one is so stupid you usually have to be the
president of an Ivy League University to say it.
Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and
hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence
leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to

more violence. However, complete, fully-thought- through,
professional, well-executed violence never leads to more
violence
because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead.
That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not
"nurtured back into the bosom of love."
Dead. D-E-Well, you get the idea.

"The CIA and the rest of our intelligence
community has failed us."

For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to
a stake in the ground, and now that the house has been
robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us.
Starting in the late seventies, under Carter
appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these
giant ideas decided that the best way to gather
international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After

all," they reasoned, "you can see a license plate from 200
miles away." This is very helpful if you've been
attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were
attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible
with satellites. You have to use other humans.
When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans.
Here's the really stupid part. It takes years -
decades - to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of
the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like
Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself
down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hi ya, boys.
Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella."
Well, you can - but all you'd be doing is giving the bad
guys a story they'll be telling for years.

4) "These people are poor and helpless, and
that's why they're angry at us."

Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection
was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and
their backers are richer than Elton John and,
ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor
helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured
and
murdered to stay in power. Mohamed Atta, one of the
evil scumbags who steered those planes into the
killing grounds (I'm sorry, one of the "alleged hijackers,"
according to CNN. They stopped using the word "terrorist,"
you know),
is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In
the sixties and
seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war
were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed
any cause they could think of to get out of their final
papers and spend more time drinking. At least, that
was my excuse. It's the same today. Take the
Anti-Global-Warming
(or is it World Trade? Oh-who-knows-what-the-hell-they-want
demonstrators).
They all charged their black outfits and plane tickets on
dad's credit
card(!) before driving to the airport in their SUV's.

5) "Any profiling is racial profiling."

Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days
after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying
dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin
Laden family living in America were afraid of
reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at

Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. I
think we're all crushed. Please come back. With a
cherry on top? Why don't they just change their
names, anyway? It's happened in the past. Think about it.
How many Adolfs do you run into these days? Shortly
after that, I remember watching TV with my jaw on
the floor as a government official actually said, "That
little old grandmother from Sioux City could be
carrying something." Okay, how about this: No, she
couldn't. It would never be the grandmother from
Sioux City. Is it even possible? What are the odds? The
same as winning a hundred Powerball Lotteries! in a row?
A thousand? A million? And now a Secret Service guy
has been tossed off a plane and we're all supposed
to cry about it because he's an Arab? Didn't it have
the tiniest bit to do with the fact that he filled
out his forms incorrectly three times? And then left an
Arab history book on his seat as he strolled off
the plane? And came back? Armed?

Let's please all stop singing "We Are the World" for
a minute and think practically! I don't want to be
sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four
seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn,
grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at
least we didn't offend them."

SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to
forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to
let the "relativists" get away with their immoral thinking.
After all, no matter what your daughter's political
science professor says,we didn't start this. Have
you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More
Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "You
First. No More Pearl Harbors."

Semper Fi!

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09-07-02

And this tough talk is what will start WW3...

Is it really America vs everyone else now? If so: Terrorists win.


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09-07-02

Straight talk from an idiot, straight talk from a guy who enjoys murdering people.

Although I agree to some extent with point 3.

So 1 out of 5 aint bad, he should run for president or something.

Happy B'Day btw sixgun


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09-07-02

Possibly on number three, however, I am totally for being wary about "intelligence gathering"; give them more power, and they WILL use it. Ever hear of those CIA tests?...


It sounds like a typical Christian "we know better" kind of deal. Whatever happened to Jesus's doctrines of peace? Not revenge, not pre-emptive measures, peace.


Ghandi had it better than this guy, sorry.


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"Move that one of your pieces, which is in the worst plight, unless you can satisfy yourself that you can derive immediate advantage by an attack." -Adolph Anderssen


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09-07-02

Yeah were good cuz people kill and die for us.they`re bad cuz people kill and die for them... same old bullshit, different century.


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09-08-02

Somebody give this guy a sword so he can charge a pillbox please.

This optimises the dumb ass sun shines out of our ass american.... i want this thread to be destroyed so that no one will have to view it again...

America Vs world..... i dont think america would last long. Everyone with any sense knows thata united Europe shall rule the world.


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I think a united world would rule the world better.....


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09-09-02

OK hippies, what do you suggest the U.S. does, as opposed to not retaliating?


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09-09-02

They can retalliate, and they did, they killed lots of afghans hiding behind rubble, so they should feel proud.

In that movie with Bruce Willis and Densil Washington, Bruce says the army isnt a surgical instrment, its a broadsword. Chasing down these terrorists shouldnt be done by your nations army trampling through whoevers country with complete immmunity.


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09-09-02

ok, so maybe ghandi should take an active role in this and we could make up some peace-treaties that noone will follow anyway? or we could send sadam and bin laden flowers and say we are sorry and that they can build all the weapons they want?

all you guys do is go against the u.s. but you have no ideas for alternatives that would realistically work.


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You have carte blanche on your own soil to do what the hell you like. No-one super-power is stupid enough to try and act as an agressor on another countries soil. Hell very few countries are going to do anything at all really. As long as they talk tough and say the right things, then politically they're in the clear and thay's all they need do

Look at France and the Murara Atoll Bomb test. MAssive world wide outrage, who stopped them?

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I love how people can so easily say that professors know nothing. If this is the case, why the hell do we have education? Wouldn't it be a little bit... I don't know... unsurprising if "possibly" the most educated people in the world knew better than those who sometimes go to college? (Marines).


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I'm going on my Law Proffessers opinion to some degree interspersed with my own.

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09-09-02

I love the way people say sadam is evil and doing horrible wrong.

I aint seen any evidence, but if its on TV its gotta be true.


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I've spoken with Shi'a form northern Iraq. They say he used verious nefarious means to rise to power and is completely counter democracy. But as to tales of Chemical weapons ans such I've heard no real-life proof.

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09-10-02

Hippies, Hippies, Hippies....


Ever wonder why Europe is so weak?

If Europe is to become strong again, it must lose the hippie attitudes and become more like a Marine.



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I love how people can so easily say that professors know nothing. If this is the case, why the hell do we have education? Wouldn't it be a little bit... I don't know... unsurprising if "possibly" the most educated people in the world knew better than those who sometimes go to college? (Marines).

I served in the U.S. Navy and I am now a student. Fact is that the average college student does not get to see as much of the world as the average military man.



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This is stupid.


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The Average military man is trained not to think. He is traiend to obey.

The average accademic is trained to think reason and extroplate.

A gropo will go in and march, kill and poilce without ever understanding the reasons behind the conflict. An Accademic who has made a study of the conflcit can tell you why its happening, what the effects are or will be and how to solive it with minimium bloodshed if possible.

A trooper only knows what he is told. An Accedmeic knows what he has researched

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