Billy is real good at twisting topics around by utilizing select personal insults. Just ignore the bullshit

Because when you bury the dead WITH presents, its proof that they think the dead will need said presents in an afterlife of sorts. If you believe in an afterlife then chances are you believe in a sense of punishment for doing things wrong and going to the wrong afterlife. Every culture has had a version of hell or torment if you were an immoral person. This likely existed amoung our eldest ancestors too escept in a much crewder fashion.

If they didnt beleive in anything and they merely buried thier dead to get rid of them then you wouldnt see the dead being buried with precious tools, or jewelry or flowers, they would jsut be covered up with dirt ina shallow grave.

Thats how being buried with presents is tied into morality.

Wrong, you misconstrue my argument over and over again because you know its sound and you cannot defeat it. my main point has been that as we evolved bigger and stronger intelligence we started THINKING, as we started thinking we started critically fearing and wondering. Fear, confusion and thinking = the creation of god. God makes it rain. God makes the lion hungry, god makes the food grow from the dirt.

God is to be feared and respected, therefore its best not to fuck with him.

Morality is born.

Thats been my argument. The burials is just a symbol of our morality growing, you want to focus on 1 minor detail and turn that into my argument, thats a strawman and you even cannot defeat that. Keep trying though.

I am hard core. but I am not a Christian anymore, I think Dyshade is becoming a fucking dumbshit, because every post is dumber than the last.

Religion, specifically Christianity is where we get ALL of our morals form today in the west. Why is thatso hard ot beleive? Even if you werent raised to be a Christian someone in your family was influenced by someone who was at one point and they accepted those morals.

Religion and morality are tied together fool.

This statement is so fucking stupid I feel like I am losing my braincells just looking at it.

Nurturing a child = raising them with a set of beliefs. AS WELL as providing them with physical protections and food.

But at LEAST I make sense. You on the other hand have only bullshit and insults with no facts to back a single thing you say. Not even logic. yeah we were Allllll born with inherent will to do good... explain serial killers then genius, explain why its ok beat and kill women in some countries and not in others.

You are defending your stance. Please explain, utilizing a logical approach, as to how morals and religion ar eone and the same. If that were so why do we have two words???

mor·al
adj.
Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.

n.
The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.
A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.
morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals.

You will note that the definition of Morals does not even mention religion

re·li·gion
n.

Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

You will also note that the definition of Religion does not mention morals

Ding ding ding.... we have a winner

The Code Of Hammurabi was written by the Prince Of Babylon and is the earliest record of Civilized Laws put down by mankind. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with mans inherent need to do good. It is not my fault that your christian values have blinded you to the fact that Christianity has nothing to do with Moral behaviour

So.... if I were to raise a child with the belief that it is ok to slaughter thousands I am nurturing them??? That is exactly how you would have us believe

There is nothing sound about your arguments, they are all laughable at best. I dont need to defeat them they cant even stand on there own merits, not to mention that you modify them every time I point out the falsey of them. If they were so strong you wouldnt keep changeing how you theorize morality was birthed.

The most interesting aspect of this whole conversation is that you appaernetly do not even understand what morality is.

Morality is simply socital standards for behaviour. Punishment has nothing to do with them at all although people whom have the desire to act immorale may not do so because of fear of social ostricizing.

There exist natural evils (floods, tornados, lightning strikes) and moral evils (stealing, hitting, murdering). In order to survive in the wild morality was created.

* Trust is important in a pack for survival so don't lie or cheat
* Large packs of humans are good for so don't murder each other
* Share your food with your neighbours.. it's best for the pack.
* Protect each other and be nice

This was the advent of morality. Something that causes the most benefit to the pack and to the individual.

There also existed things that this morality couldn't protect humans from: the floods, fires, lightning strikes. These were out of the control of humans and they needed to explain these phenomenon. So comes religion. These things happen because of gods. The survival tactics that these people used got integrated in to the religion. Now the religion taught that if one is morally good then he/she will be safer in the world and also will be safe from natural evils.

So my argument is that morality used to be something that helped early humans to survive in nature and probably came before the gods and religions.

Very well put and exactly right

That is false too. No wonder you are making such idiotic assumptions; Our founding fathers were not Christian; they were non-secular and Masonic. The Bill of Rights, which serves as a moral framework for our nation and our conduct towards others was founded upon philosophical morality. The musings of John Locke for one: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all Men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain innaliable rights."
The fact that you don't even know the moral framework of your own nation displays a pitiable level of ignorance. Meanwhile, all you do is scream insults and repeat your falsehoods over and over again. Pathetic.