Well it obviously wasn't too much, since the end result is feeling good.

isn't that what life is about?

Yes, which is why your response confused me. You said 'too much conditioning,' implying that there was an excess that resulted in something unpleasant.

Its because suffering tastes so damned good.

everyone is apathetic about something...it's the only way too survive things you don't have power to change, but are stuck to be faced with everyday, otherwise all you do is fight, and when all a person does is fight, they lose sight of all the goodness that is still there. So isn't it easier to do what you can, and learn how to co exist with what you can't?

it's because the choice i've made for my spirituality is in direct conflict with everything i was ever taught about religion...yet i never had a bad experience in a church, there's something about the hollow silence, the smell of holy water and wood that just does something to me...the buildings are peaceful, even if the religion is not...but i think anywhere that is used for spiritual seeking has an aura of peace and serenity.

so then what does that have to do with feeling good in a church?

nothing, i was just musing how i'm still affected by catholic environments even though i've turned from the religion years ago...any place that condones spirituality is a good place, regardless of what it stands for.

That's pure grade-A baloney. Just because someone isn't actively fighting one particular thing doesn't mean they don't feel anything about it.


Individuals have the power to change anything.


If you don't fight these things, then you're not really living, just surviving.


What has led you to believe that people who fight for what they believe in do nothing else? That's a very generalized assumption.


It may make it easier on you, but it's just going to be that much harder on the next generation, because it will still be there, and all the more harder to fight because no one fought it before.

I would say that there's a greater goodness that comes from fighting evil rather than just ignoring it.

I liked that part a lot and yes that is true. The thing is, when you fight/war it doesn't matter which side you're on, as either believe themselves to be right and all is based and steeped in judgment. Though I have to say it is very hard not to "go there", not to become overwhelmed by it and try to "fix" everything instead of simply allowing.

I liked these points too, very much and definitely see the truth in them as well.

what evil should we fight first...hatred, third world starvation, the impending war, global warming, the spread of uncurable disease and the threat of more on the way, violence, rape, the prison system, bad governments, in the countries that have them...rather than some anarchist rebellion against those very governments with more rape, killing and hatred. Terrorism is a big one right now, homeless, abuse, the budget...hmmmm...lets see, i'm sure there are a million more, this is a big world i think at this point i am going to be selfish, drink a beer, enjoy a little illegal relaxation, wait for my husband to come home and get ready for a busy valentines day followed by a relaxing, care free weekend, i can start the battle again on monday...seven am mountain time...but hey, i'll have money left from payday.

on the brightside, if we all die tomarrow and give the animals the world, it will be a more peaceful place...apparantly some people just can't see the goodness that's left in this world(maybe it is time to end it all)those are the ones that have done nothing but fight, if that's the life that you would desire for the world..than i would rather die, and my family, i want my girls to be able to in the midst of unpredictible chaos being able to look at an amazing sunset and with a closed eyed smile feel refreshed for whatever they have to face the next day..than i'm happy they are like me and not the rest of the world...

now back to the regularly scheduled topic. AGAIN!

looking at sunsets, feeling the wind of a storm or just breathing in a breath of fresh air suprisingly helps me feel renewed...but sitting next to some water is always the most rejuvinating.

sorry if you felt that I attacked you. I didn't intend to have that effect. sorry again.

i had hoped not, that's why i mentioned it to you in a civil manner. A few people have been lately...you just had bad timing

Sweet Temptress of the Stars and Sunsets, here is how I do it.

When I was younger and just starting out I found that if you put your hands just over something and draw all you attention to your hands then you will feel there arua, and then the whole sense of touch starts doing it as well, it makes you really aware of your body, then I focus widen my focus to my hearing as well, then breathing, lastly sight(eyes closed or open it doesn't matter) and I just feel like I am a part of everything, can feel everything... Its like I can almost hear harmony and I am a part of it.

OK, i'll take that one back. You're right, no one cares about everything, I just meant that some people (a couple I know) are bothered by every little bit of suffering they come across.


I'm not really sure what I meant with that statement, it don't make alot of sense re-reading it, so I'll take it back as well.


Yup, better take this one back too. I didn't read you right, I actually agree with what you say.

Forgive me Jordyn, I didn't mean to pick on you or judge you. I have been on my high horse as of late. I'll get off it now.

*jumps off, breaks ankle*

It's good people get bothered by suffering, it's more confirmation that theres still hope for the world and humanity in general. However we are just human and no one can end all the suffering...so why not enjoy life, and do what you can for the world situation?

i appreciate the apologies, thank you.

*expells the demons and gets back to more pleasurable endeavors*

so who finds sex a good way to refresh the soul?

Hmm. Sex can be an effective way to refresh the soul, the feeling of bodies agaisnt each other is quite... good.

I find singing to work as well.

seeing old friends is always a good way to find a freshening to your spirit.