I know I should respect my elders, but listen to this and tell me if I should keep my respect for this woman.

About 1 week after christmas there was the company chrismas party, of course I went. Most of my friends at the work place are a bit older than me. I was forced placed across from a 19 year old boy named Adam. Adam has Offically asked every girl in the store within 10 years of his age . Next to me was Dawn she was a VERY loud annoing checker lady, she always talked too much. This dawn was and AA member but she had only one drink from the open bar, holy crap was she hammerd. Now Adam decides that he can take advantage of her and she gets him some booze, within the next 40 munites both of them are hammerd. Now adam had switched spots with me to sit near dawn. I got seated by an attractive girl who was on the gothic side in looks and dress who worked in the bakery. We talked we were close in age, she is cool. But not to get dragged off of topic. In another 5 or so munites Dawn was telling adam about her daughter who was 19 just like him. Talk was soon off her daughter and on to things i just didnt want to hear. so I talked to Sarah next to me the cool one. The comedian came up first I was shocked that that was the comedian beacuse I had made fun of him in the bathroom he wore like a flaming red shirt that was silk and leather pants, man he looked bad but I made sure that he knew it was in fun.
Well he comments on what I said there was an uproar, but then me and sarah look over and dawn and adam are feeling eachother up and makin out, worst of all dawn is newly engaged. I was disgusted and so was as I realized everone around me, my boss had now noticed the drunk minor. Well he wasnt yelled at the party, but he got it at work. Well they went home together and I dont even want to know what happend, but now at work she asks why I dont talk to her any more.
She knows darn well why, should I respect her I dont thinks so.
(I never had a high regard for her in the first place.)

you should never respect your elders - only old people will tell you to do that, for obvious self-interest reasons.

um, that is true for some people. But I respect elders beacuse that is what i was tought. They deserve respect till they loose it i guess.

who taught you that - an "elder"? They would say that wouldn't they.

No one deserves respect until they gain it.

Everyone deserves an equal chance to gain respect until they loose it.

I tought myself that, I read Proverbs....

and I also think you should stop being so judgemental about people.

since you're into that bible stuff, how about "judge not, lest you be judged"

or the stuff about casting the first stone?

I havent really judged anyone, I am not really into this bible stuff. The only book I have talked about is PROVERBS. If you would take some time to read it you would realize that it is hardly a religous section of the bible.... Just a book containing wisdom. I dont think I have cast any "Stones".
I am trying to look at my posts and see what you mean, I havent really insulted anyone. I have stated my opinions but that is not Judgeing.
What are you talkin about.
I wouldnt post religous stuff that you dont care about, I just post peices of wisdom when nessacary.

Your first post in this thread was about how you've lost your respect for a woman because of her actions (judgemental stone-casting stuff).

I've read enough of the Bible to realise that it's shit - just the usual religious control propaganda.

You're posting religious stuff I don't care about all the time in your sig.

This kid sounds like a real winner.

Ha ha ha, none of this was religous. JUST BEACUSE IT WAS FROM A RELIGOUS book dosent mean its religous. You can scream bloody murder when I try to convert you, its not gonna happen.

in reference to the first post:
now more than ever dawn probably needs someone to make her feel loved and cared for. in my opinion she did screw up, but what good will it to do to shove that in her face? and.. what good will it do to treat her like a human being? the latter will prove far more useful. always show love man. you've fouled up once or twice in life i'm sure.

as for lazarus. the kid really does avidly subscribe to the bible. you might think it's shit, he holds it close to his heart. aren't we trying to be open minded here? you both might want to sit back and consider the point of view of the other. personally, i think that particular book, proverbs, is bad ass. agnostic or believer, it's not so much founded around God as it is around just plain good advice.
you will gain a "bible banger" rep if you quote the bible a lot though arkantis. i won't disuade you from doing it, but i am letting you know what you risk in doing so k? don't get mad when people begin to title you.

Hit the nail on the head.....

Just because it was from a religious book MEANS it was religious. Unless you're quoting the copyright notice and the publisher details, the rest is typical dull religious propaganda.

I've re-read your first post and decided to re-interpret it without your judgemental attitude:

Dawn goes out for the night for the christmas party. Her homelife is shit, and she wants to forget it, so she has a few drinks - no, fuck it, she gets drunk. Hell, why not - this life is shit enough as it is. This guy who's younger than she is starts chatting her up. This makes Dawn feel good - a younger, good-looking guy is showing an interest in her - this makes her feel, for once in her shitty dull life, sexy and attractive.

Dawn's christmas has now been 'made' - she feels good about herself for the first time since she was at school. She feels attractive, happy, sexy, and carefree. Little does she know that there's a dirty little voyeur in the corner taking disapproving notes, judging and condemning her one moment of fun.

Dawn's not aware of the Inquisition over at the bar however (in the shape of some guy who's failing to cop off with another attractive member of staff) because - yes - the guy she's chatting to has slipped his arms around her and is showing in no uncertain fashion that he wants her. The evening went on, the night drew darker, and the two of them slipped off together.

Back at work the next week, the dirty little voyeur who, unknown to Dawn, was obviously taking notes all the time, far too busy sticking his nose into what other people were doing to have any attention for the good looking girl sitting next to him (he must be a weirdo of some sort, then, obviously) won't talk to her - unknown to Dawn he's made his judgement about her ("women - especially older women - shouldn't engage in such sordid activites!!!") based on his case notes hastily scribbled down at that fateful christmas party.

The weirdo then proceeds to write up his notes and print them on internet discussion forums - condemning this woman without giving her right-of-reply.

He feels secure in his smug self-righteousness. He doesn't question his right to condemn this woman, he doesn't think that he's the one in the wrong - he just picks up the first stone and casts it in public (on the internet) and invites everyone else to join in.

I did not thow your "Stone" I just wanted advice on what to do. I have never been mean to Dawn, I have put up with her. I simply wanted to know how do deal with my recent lack of respect for this woman. I never called her loose, She did what she did while she was drunk. If anyone is to blame it is Adam, he got dawn more drunk and got drunk himself. I never questiond Dawn but I questioned myself.

OK, some advice on what to do: there's nothing to do - it's none of your business if Adam and Dawn fuck like rabbits or never talk to each other - it's between them.

be the same to her as you always were. this changes nothing for you.

I treat her like normal, I have never really questiond my respect for somone like her before. When somthing new happens to me I question it until I understand it.

respect is a funny...possession.

i respect my elders for the wisdom they can impart, i never show them disrespect, but sometimes it helps to imagine what it is like to be that age...watching the younger people able to enjoy what you no longer can...some get bitter by that...too much envy can be a bad thing.

respect is a personal decision...based on personal experience.

I think you are right.

Ok people, lighten up a bit on Arkantis. He's obviously going outside his Bible perspective and asking questions about what he should think about real life situations. I think it shows open-mindedness on his part.