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Right to your own body - 09-14-03

If anyone knows anything, they know that abortion is legal due to how it's the right to the woman's own body which lets them choose to do it.

So here's a thought, why can't we commit suicide/euthanasia? Do we not have a right to our own body in those cases?

And if not, then why not? Why should we be held within this place where we don't even want to be, and endure hardships that we just can't handle, while not even really living?


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09-14-03

Shit, I don't know. Linking abortion to euthanasia technically sounds feasible, but morally??? That's what it comes down to once again I suppose, societal morality. Why is drug taking illegal when it's your own body you abuse? With euthanasia, suicide and drugs you are considered not to be in your 'right mind' when making the decision. That's the only difference I can ascertain.


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09-14-03

The right a woman has to her body under the law is not really based in religion. Any wrongdoing there is in suicide must be religious, because there's no way for humans to punish those who've commited suicide.
  
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09-14-03

Actually, it is religious in most cases. My religion excuses abortion in certain circumstances. In my case the would be Father acknowledged Assyerian Gods. That's way over the top of just not being in the same religion. I didn't find all of this out until afterwards, but he even went so far as to say he wanted a child to raise with those beliefs and would go to any measure to do it. He even said he casted a spell on me. I don't know about that, but I was already looking at marrying someone else when this strange person came into the group.

As for euthanasia even the Japanese and many asian countries support suicide over dishonor. In cases where they cannot perform the ceremony, another person may assist them. That's not even as bad as knowing you'll die and while you're dying you're in a lot of pain.

I'm just tired of people trying to force their way of life on me.
  
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09-14-03

this is a field that too concerns me, why are we not granted the ability to try suicide and the ability to do what drugs we wish......such things, that truly only affect yourself (excluding emotional ties) should be right for you and you only.....maybe some day we too will have suicide-booths like in futurama
  
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09-14-03

Nooo! Suicide is often a symptom of an underlying medical condition or teen angst. Most of the time we make it through stronger, that is why it's outlawed. Have a medical first, then if you're sane, commit suicide.


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09-14-03

So let's say you're in a car accident.
And you're paralyzed.
And you're barely able to even talk.
And you're stuck that way, forever.

But you don't need anything to help you breath.

Would you not wish to stop living?


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09-14-03

depends on the person you're asking.

If you asked Christopher Reeve, he woulda said yes, I wanna go on.

Personally I pray for a bus to hit me every time I cross the street, so I'd say no.
  
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09-15-03

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If anyone knows anything, they know that abortion is legal due to how it's the right to the woman's own body which lets them choose to do it.

So here's a thought, why can't we commit suicide/euthanasia? Do we not have a right to our own body in those cases?

And if not, then why not? Why should we be held within this place where we don't even want to be, and endure hardships that we just can't handle, while not even really living?
Yes, technically suicide is illegal...but it doesn't seem to stop people. A baby can't abort itself, but if people really want to end their life, they can without euthanasia.

Also, people like George Bush are too damn republican/conservative to go for that. Same reason drugs won't be legalized. If you ask me if someone wants to screw up their body by doing drugs...let them. Some drugs are less dangerous than drinking, but will it be legalized? Probably not, and if it was they would tax the hell out of it and you might as well keep buying it from drug dealers.

So all in all...lets assassinate George Bush.
  
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09-15-03

Millions of people chose to join armies to kill other people. Why isn't there a big debate about that?

Because people decide it is necessary, it is important and it is "the only choice we have."

Why should someone else have the right to make My choices for Me?
  
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So let's say you're in a car accident.
And you're paralyzed.
And you're barely able to even talk.
And you're stuck that way, forever.

But you don't need anything to help you breath.

Would you not wish to stop living?
I'm sure sometimes I'd feel like wanting to die, especially at the beginning. But you underestimate the power of the spirit. What about the times when I don't feel like dying? and why would it have to be forever? If we are talking reality, progress is being made in leaps and bounds re spinal cord damage and if I can breathe with no problems my talking should be improving.

Now if you asked what I would do if I had a terminal disease that would lead to great pain and slow agonising death my answer may alter slightly.


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09-15-03

Where the suicide/euthanasia issue and abortion issue part is when it comes to determining when a baby is actually a seperate individual and not simply a part of the mother.

One would think that would be easy. When it is feasible that an unborn infant would be able to survive if labor were induced, that allows that it is an independant organism, hence it is an individual, and no longer subject to the mother's whims concerning its existance.

However, then you involve religion, and the idea of the soul. Some believe that this soul is imparted at conception. This complicates the matter considerably. That would mean that all unborn children are independant entities upon conception, and that their life or death is no longer subject to the wants of the mother.

Where does this leave miscarriages then? Does that mean that an unborn child has died, and it's just-received soul goes on to the afterlife? If so, where then does the blame lie in it's death? With the mother? With God? Religion complicates matters.

Getting back to suicide or euthanasia, I would say that the matter should be examined by way of quality of life. Let's say I'm dying of cancer. I know that the only thing that medical professionals can do for me is extend my life by a small margin. However, I'm in constant, extensive pain. I'd much rather save my family the medical costs, and myself the needless suffering, and go quietly with dignity, rather than hanging on for a death which may come at the end of considerably more suffering, both for myself and for my loved ones.


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