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Is it Right? - 10-19-07

FOXNews.com - Philadelphia Raises Boy Scouts' Rent $199,999 Over Gay Ban - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News


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PHILADELPHIA — The city has decided that the Boy Scouts chapter here must pay fair-market rent of $200,000 a year for its city-owned headquarters because it refuses to permit gay Scouts.

The organization's Cradle of Liberty Council, which currently pays $1 a year in rent, must pay the increased amount to remain in its downtown building past May 31, Fairmount Park Commission president Robert N.C. Nix said Wednesday.

City officials say they cannot legally rent taxpayer-owned property for a nominal sum to a private organization that discriminates. The city owns the land on which the council's 1928 Beaux Arts building sits.

Scouting officials will ask the city solicitor for details on the appraisals that yielded the $200,000 figure, said Jeff Jubelirer, spokesman for the Cradle of Liberty Council.

The higher rent money "would have to come from programs. That's 30 new Cub Scout packs, or 800 needy kids going to our summer camp," Jubelirer said. "It's disappointing, and it's certainly a threat."

The Supreme Court ruled in 2000 that Scouts, as a private group, have a First Amendment right to bar gays from membership.

The council adopted a nondiscrimination policy in 2003 but was ordered to revoke it by the National Council, which said local chapters cannot deviate from national rules barring participation by anyone who is openly gay.

The Cradle of Liberty Council serves about 64,000 scouts in Philadelphia and its suburbs.
Awww, they discriminated and got their rent raised... A WHOLE lot!!!

Seriously though. Legally, it's not against the local laws. But will the boy scouts learn from it?


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10-19-07

well...that'll teach them.

part of me wants to be outraged that their required to pay such a high amount for a program designed to keep kids out of trouble and off the street, but at the same time, what are they teaching their boyscouts about acceptance and the law?

i'll leave this choice to the courts, personally i don't see why it's a big deal, gay people aren't a threat to our children, pedophiles are.



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10-27-07

Aren't the Boy Scouts a private organization and therefore allowed to exclude whomever they want?

I'm reminded of a little controvery 10 years ago or something. The Citadel, a military academy in Charleston, SC, was forced to admit a woman for the first time in like 200 years after litigation and all that babble about equal rights. She promptly washed out because she simply couldn't hack it. That always bugged the shit out of me. Not really sure why I'm reminded of that instance. Just am.


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11-28-07

ok i get that scouts are to help kids be better and stay off the streets but why are they barring homosexuals? its not like they are hurting anyone. what are they afraid its contagious? i think its just really dumb. barring homosexuals sends a bad message to the boys, maybe if they let them in guys in school wouldnt be so homophobic. seriously.
  
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Aren't the Boy Scouts a private organization and therefore allowed to exclude whomever they want?
Yeah. And for the same reason, they should pay fair-market-rent. What's this $1 a year crap?

Girls, Gays and the Godless are excluded from the boy scouts so that people don't have wild satanic orgies like everywhere else girls, gays and atheists congregate (like libraries).
  
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12-10-07

Part of taking a stand is accepting the consequences.

If the Boy Scouts, as an organization, are going to stand up for what I presume are their beliefs concerning homosexuals, then they should willingly... hell, GLADLY... accept the consequences for such a stand.

The only real question is is the city telling the truth concerning the inability to "legally rent taxpayer-owned property for a nominal sum to a private organization that discriminates." This is a matter of fact, not opinion. Someone should look it up. Is there, or is there not a preexisting law or guideline concerning non-discrimination? If there is, then the only thing to discuss is whether or not the law is fair. I think it is. If there IS no such law or guideline, then the discussion becomes a matter of "spot the liar" and "do you agree with the reason behind the lie".


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12-10-07

In other boyscout gay-ban news:

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SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 6 - A scout leader who once sued the City of Berkeley for challenging a national Boy Scout ban on members who are gay or atheist has been arrested on felony charges that for at least five years he sexually abused young males in the troops he led.

Mr. Evans sued the city in his role as a leader of the Sea Scouts, an affiliate program of the Boy Scouts. The city, after providing free berthing for a Sea Scouts boat for 60 years, said in 1998 that a Boy Scout policy barring gay scouts and atheists violated Berkeley's rules against discrimination. The city said the Scouts would have to leave the berth or pay $500 a month rent.

Mr. Evans sued for discrimination and for violating the Scouts' First Amendment rights. The California Supreme Court ruled in favor of Berkeley.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/us...=1&oref=slogin
  
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12-10-07

Hey lets let queers into the Boyscouts! next we can let Recent college graduate MALE Gym teachers teach girls gym in highschools. No problems should come of that either right?
  
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Anyone suprised? Just why the hell are gay men so hard on for getting into the boy scouts? Couldn't be the noted link in pederasty in the gay male community can it? Its like letting Randolph McMurphy (One flew over the cuckoos nest) teach girls Gym class.
  
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Most pedophiles sleep with children. A pedophile who is interested in little boys will often be heterosexual in thier public life and/or not in relationships with adults at all.

Homosexuality is a human trait that has been with us since the birth of mankind and will be here until we become extinct. You can either accept that fact and move on, or deny the fact and live with biased hatred for no reason. Hating gays is pretty much akin to hating snow, hot weather, or rain.



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next we can let Recent college graduate MALE Gym teachers teach girls gym in highschools. No problems should come of that either right?
They do. There are very many males teaching gymnastics, and many other female oriented sports. Just because someone is male does not mean they will pop the first 13 year old virgin pussy they come across



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They do. There are very many males teaching gymnastics, and many other female oriented sports. Just because someone is male does not mean they will pop the first 13 year old virgin pussy they come across
I have never seen a male gym teacher for girls gym in high school. And I didn't say they would always pop their students, but its a damned hell of a lot more likely than is they hired female teachers to teach female gym students.
  
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Most pedophiles sleep with children. A pedophile who is interested in little boys will often be heterosexual in thier public life and/or not in relationships with adults at all.

Homosexuality is a human trait that has been with us since the birth of mankind and will be here until we become extinct. You can either accept that fact and move on, or deny the fact and live with biased hatred for no reason. Hating gays is pretty much akin to hating snow, hot weather, or rain.
You'll have to offer proof for your assertion there Dyshade. There is a well known link between homosexual men and pedophilia.
WorldNetDaily: Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'

A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin's report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be "gay." According to the study, "Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years."

Jeffry Dhamer, John Wayne Gacy. Homosexual pedophiles as well.

Its pretty fuckin tough to be a majority of pedophile cases per capita when youre only 2-5% of the population.

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I have never seen a male gym teacher for girls gym in high school. And I didn't say they would always pop their students, but its a damned hell of a lot more likely than is they hired female teachers to teach female gym students.
So women cannot be lesbians with a penchant for child flesh?? There are probably just as many lesbians out there as gay men. If you are really scared of men teaching women you may as well segregate schools into girls and boys classes tought by thier respective genders. Mainly because those same men have the same chances of abusing girls in their classrooms as in gym class.



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Pedophilia is considered by most psychologists to be a sexual preferance unto itself irregardless of heterosexuality or homosexuality. A pedophile likes children. Some like girl children and some like boy children and yet both irregardless like children.

""The APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition, Text Revision gives the following as its "Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia":[24]

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A. ""

You will note that being gay is NOT a criteria for pedophilia.

""The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems defines pedophilia as "a sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."""

Once again no mention of homosexuality as any sort of criteria for pedophilia.

Pedophiles abuse children seeking sexual satisfaction. Children cannot protect themselves from these predators and do not have the knowledge to know how to defend themselves at such a young age. This is usually a non-consenting relationship.
Homosexuality is usually a same sex relationship that is sought by both partners.

Comparing the two is merely a way to demonize homosexuality, and it ignores the basic tenants of pedophilia and misdirects attention away from the real problem.



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So women cannot be lesbians with a penchant for child flesh?? There are probably just as many lesbians out there as gay men. If you are really scared of men teaching women you may as well segregate schools into girls and boys classes tought by thier respective genders. Mainly because those same men have the same chances of abusing girls in their classrooms as in gym class.
There is a LOT less pedophile lesbians than there are 25 year old men who would fuck a 16 year old highschool girl.

And Gym classes are mostly segregated into boys and girls.
  
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Pedophilia is considered by most psychologists to be a sexual preferance unto itself irregardless of heterosexuality or homosexuality. A pedophile likes children. Some like girl children and some like boy children and yet both irregardless like children.

""The APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition, Text Revision gives the following as its "Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia":[24]

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A. ""

You will note that being gay is NOT a criteria for pedophilia.

""The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems defines pedophilia as "a sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."""

Once again no mention of homosexuality as any sort of criteria for pedophilia.

Pedophiles abuse children seeking sexual satisfaction. Children cannot protect themselves from these predators and do not have the knowledge to know how to defend themselves at such a young age. This is usually a non-consenting relationship.
Homosexuality is usually a same sex relationship that is sought by both partners.

Comparing the two is merely a way to demonize homosexuality, and it ignores the basic tenants of pedophilia and misdirects attention away from the real problem.
Its not demonizing to say there is a link between homosexual males and pedophile, its a fact as shown by the article which discusses a report wherein some 80% of male pedophiles also admitted to being gay or bisexual. You lose, sorry.
  
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