wait, could you rephrase what you are saying ssecret132

especially that pleasure bit... i do not feel 'powerful' when i experiance pleasure. i just FEEL. whatever explains it, its right and good. you are trying to define an abstract by saying it is another abstract...

more reason, less supposition.

sticking to the ORIGINAL topic...

my reasons for living would be:
a) my love and sympathy towards my loved ones in that i dont make them suffer to a much greater degree then they already do by me killing myself (and therefore not living),
b) my curiosity of what the future holds for me and life itself, and
c) my fear of death

i think these 3 reasons go for most ppl out there...

[color=sky blue]Wow, I'm so surprised at your conclusions. Since when is a life unnecessary? Maybe the meddling comes from lack of empathy and doing nothing to help a soul in need. Sure, we all have our own paths but we cross each others paths to help advance each soul, not to forsake them.

Suicides are usually caused by depression, which is a chemical imbalance in the brain, therefore an illness. Do you leave a cardiac patient to die, as his fate?[/color]

I only feel alive when I work...

edge, what do ya do for work...
and to be totally weird here and well, very superficial, well, I wont judge the thingz said here already and just add a poem... to make people think about it, its not much since I wrote it (lol) but well... people see or people don't, covering the third eye... third eye blind, lol, ===========>


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Forrest

Digging a way into forests dark and well-hid
Knowing the essence, prepared for the unknown
But never seen, never faced the end of this pit.
Always choking before arrival, though once it’ll all be shown

Along the way I notice trails, traces of other tries
Open spaces, plenty around, only to mislead and hold
One from exploring further, seduced by open blue skies
But experienced a traveller I am, I keep finding things never told…

Following my own code, written in bloody ink, words of wisdom and truth
No chance this jungle can replicate these solid riddles
Sought out with dangerous preciseness, skills and unseen youth

I know it’s a long hard path I like to follow
Taking hours, months, years, perhaps a lifetime
Necessary to keep myself from feeling hollow

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Necessary to keep myself from feeling hollow...
that's why I walk the dark path, the trail of life
seeking sumthing utopic, though knowing I'll find sumthing, close enough to my chaotic mind's perfection and I'll reach that point and take it to another level, untill I finally see it's time to go... no regrets... no sorries, worries, whatsoever... knowing the time has come...

so just asking for my reason to live is kinda odd... an odd question for anyone since... the facts we do know are: we live to die and give life to others before the day has come... that's nature... no question bout nature... and to answer the more philosophical side of that... we live to be, with all it's rights and wrongs... we live to be, followed by ceasing to be... and to me, to be is to get in touch with the understanding of what that "being" is, or as I said before, trying to get as close as I can... and well, there's alot more reasoning and thinking behind all that though... but, for real... that's why people write books and I won't try writing no books here since I'm boring enough as it is

well... sigh...

nonsense out...

thoughts in...

cya round peepz

HK

and by the way...
I also live for chicks, food, cars, fast things, poems, chicks (did I mention this before?) and well, sex? dunno, so many thingz in life... kinky stuff... and even magic the gathering!
n sum love... n fighting hate...

but these are but wordz ya know

and ow yeah, chicks mean errrm women, good decent women who kinda love the thingz I love or mayb the other way round, depends, lol, ...

you walking on very tenuous ground here... back up the imbalance theory if you will.

imbalance theory huh??? so.. all depressed people are in fact just sick??? just able to be cured by sum pills huh? so, I'll have to walk around all day popping E bcuz it puts my chemical balance to "happy"???
hmmm... so, love is an ilness too... frustration, anger, all but illnesses, or better simptoms of an ilness???
nahnahnah, indeed, better back off with that plan and look at, well, look inside urself a bit... and mayb u meant balance of the soul, balance of the psyche, balance of whtvr energy, but please, dont call it a disease...

I am afraid of death. And because I dont want to leave my family and friends. Also I am going to die anyways so i might as well make the best of my life while Im still here. There may not be an afterlife and I like to know that I exist.

Edited to add: Not all people who are depressed have a chemical imbalance. Sometimes life can just depress people. People with chronic diseases or who lost a family member or get made fun of at school etc may be depressed.

Can one be a sad skeptic without being called depressed or a pessimist, can one be on the brink of suicide by the overwhelming disgust of one's world without being called a walking mental illness? thoughts

a life becomes unnecessary at the time that the fates, god or whatever a person believes in as a controlling factor in the spiritual aspect of life ends it...if a soul is in need, than no one can help that soul but the soul itself, there may be a time when that sould needs a hand up, but if the person who has the soul for whatever reasons denies that help when sent, no one is to blame....

i've seen both facets..those who needed help, desired help and accepted it, and those that were enjoying the attention that such chemical imbalances cause and refused help...ultimately it's up to the person...while i believe in higher forces influencing our lives, i do not understand, accept or empathize with people who blame external forces for their misery...

it's not denying people help, it's making them help themselves rather than wasting my energy on those who do not want help...it's taken me too long to balance myself to try and balance others who refuse to accept responsibility...

there are drugs, psychologists and other methods that can be sought for chemical imbalances...anything else is just an excuse hoping for someone else to do it for them...

if a cardiac patient refuses to change their lifestyle or get help from a doctor...than let them die...if a doctor can't save them..then they are meant to die.

god can't help those who won't help themselves.

if there is a god, he wouldnt help anyone as that would negate free will...

Your post made me kind of down
Obviously I believe that no one can accept help if they can not help themselves and that every capably sane human being should be responsible for that, but I'm not sure if there would be any misery or suffering if it was not for external forces. I dont know what im talking about, your not referring to religion are you, by external forces?

would not a child who grew alone on an island (as if this could happen) be able to recognise his Self and wonder if why he is unique?

the lone survivior excuse, that might me the only acception. oh and rougue, i'll start a thread about will to power later, if your still interested

religion and spirituality don't have to be related...if i see a person in emotional turmoil and i offer my help...then i hope they will take it and thus start a step towards recovery, but if they refuse my help, preferring to live with their misery...i will move on, i don't mean to sadden anyone...just my point of view concering those who want to survive and those who want someone to survive for them...

when i was referring to external forces that was referring to death and dying...a person is on an operating table they will die or the doctor will fix them...it's up to "god" if that person will live or die...the doctor can just make a best effort attempt...that's what i'm referring to by "external force" not something like a chemical imbalance or a life falling apart...at that point it's up to the person if they want help to ascend that hurdle or accept defeat...

i guess i'm a supporter of rogue's "free will" concept

what about those who dont want to "recover"... what about those who enjoy the pain?

I apologize for the misinterpretation jordyn.

I believe euthanasia, even assisted suicide is a free choice to anyone in such physical pain, emotional is a different story. Those who enjoy the pain, like i do, let them become a daredevil.