So far I think that spirits exist in another dimension that is slightly relative to the physical universe. I think that they can program or link to matter/life forms
[espcially to carbon/iron elements,(each are capable of magnetic conditioning, interestingly)].

These beings inherit the information of their previous host ('passed lives') and also have a bit of power ('pentacostal miracles for example').

Ultimately I believe that they have not helped humanity much and are unhealthy, unnatural beings for humans to have any dealings with.

Please tell me all of what you know about spirits and supernatural powers if you have any experience.

I think your beliefs are silly and have absolutely no basis in scientific fact.

please ignore the rudeness of some people, it's sad that it seems to be allowed on this section of the forum too, perhaps that's why there's so little constructive conversation that takes place here.

personally i believe there is a distinct difference between ghosts and other spirits one may come across in supernatural dealings...

ghosts were human, for whatever reason they are unable to pass on and left as incorporal beigns on this, plane...and until they can move on will be left to psychics, quija boards and other means of expressing their...confusion between life and death.

and then there are the rest...these are particular energies shaped by their surroundings, but have never been human...there are the elemental type that are derived from nature, the fay fall into this category

and then there are my personal favorites the demonkin...these have never been human either, but are external energies either created from ourselves or other forms and given life by our darker, impulses, needs and desires...having never been human, both of these forms are incapable of understanding humans and their emotions, and why i believe there are often times negative experiences when dealing with them...the reason they are deemed evil and destructive, and there's more than one person who's been terrorized by them, when not sure what they are doing and reaching out to the spirit world.

for serious discussion about esoterical/supernatural beliefs without insulting interruption, try these boards.

occultforums.com they're strict on moderation, so use their search funtion...but they do have an amazing group of people from a wide variety of beliefs and practices, and some there are sublime in their information, advice and experience.

i'll be happy to discuss this with you, on this board and there are a rare few others on this site that are tolerant of differing beliefs, that may join in, but it's a rare few that have stayed. i'm used to having to stick up for my beliefs with the sort; that post here...but there's no reason others have to be subjected to it.

monstrous.com, a lot of pre gathered information...click on the forum link at the bottom of their list...they're a little smaller and more generally geared towards monster and other unexplained phenomenah, most of the posters have a christian bend to their beliefs...but amazing in their acceptance of those who find the darker energies attractive, and excellent behavior in debates...it's ideal for those who'd rather constructively debate than talk about the uses and destructiveness that spirits can bring a person, and their beliefs.

there's also livingdarkness.com, small, slow in getting started but they too have a board for discussions of these sort of beliefs and won't allow pointless insults concerning a persons beliefs, and there's already some good information posted in their section concerning the darker aspects of beliefs and practices.

than perhaps you should stick to offtopic or the bitch board, this is a section that was designed for beliefs...

But Fr0g was sharing his belief.

sharing a belief is not insutling another's...

for example, it could have been like this...

i do not believe there is anything beyond death, no god, no ghosts, or anything else, we live, we die the end...

...i don't mind if people do or do not believe in it, and relish the discussion that can ensue when a believer is debating with a non believer...but it does bother me when people use pointless and insulting manners to tell someone they are wrong to believe as they do...give them reasons why they shouldn't believe, explain why they don't believe...but just simply calling them silly or some other baseless insult is...just rude!

But that is a differnt belief altogether than what he was trying to share. And my beliefs are incredibly insulting to many. For example I believe Leftists need to be rounded up and sent to Iran so they can live in peace with thier friends.

what was he trying to share? that he can use a wonderful world and bring it down to the distasteful level of a baseless insult on someone's belief?

oh billy, i'm familiar with your techniques, and they no longer suprise me,a nd it's hard to offend me...but i would expect more from those who post here than the same behavior they engage on in the offtopic board...i would not have objected if he would have put more to back his "silly" comment than leaving it as a two line put down.

why is it silly to believe in the spirit world, why does if foster such a resentment for him, is he really that intolerant of another person's belief that differs from his?

but it's sweet how you are explaining it for him...

Why is it silly? I dunno it just is, its silly to believe in Santa Clause too.

speaking of santa clause...he may not be a real person that flies around on a little red sleigh with eight reindeer...but without him there'd be no spirit in christmas...it'd just be another blah holiday like memorial day or presidents day...

but either way, we're now both offtopic...

as the poster desires a discussion on spiritualism...which in my opinion doesn't necessarily have to have any relation with magick, and isn't always related to anything...godly.

lol, Christmas isnt about Santa Jordyn. In fact most adults realize that, and dont give a rats ass about him. So youre wrong there. Theres plenty of spirit in Christmas without Santa. Santa is just a pawn of corporate interests to get parents to buy shit for thier screaming spoiled brats,

what is christmas about oh all knowing one?

personally if it wasn't for my children, i'd have nothing to do with the holiday...it would sure save a lot of money for other interests i have.

Its a religious holiday, always was. It celebrates the birth of the savior for Christians. If you are celebrating a holiday on December 25 that doesnt revolve around that then youre not celebrating CHIRSTmas.

uhhh....didn't i say i do it for my children?

you are right it was always a religious holdiay, but not always christian...the christians chose it to represent the birth of their savior...i celebrate christmas as my children understand it...why should i confuse them with my personal beliefs or forbid them to celebrate a holiday i may not agree with?

umm it was always Christian. See thats what Christmas means the birth of Christ. Its always been a Christian thing. If you mean there was other holidays around that time of year then yes, there was. But they werent Christmas.

Why forbid them? I didnt say to... why would you celebrate something you dont belive in though? I wouldnt celebrate Kwanza or Yule.

My statement wasn't insulting, its how I felt, and was meant to inspire thought/conversation. I was blunt, but I didn't call the guy a raving jackass like I was actually thinking. So stop being so self righteous.

I've got no problem with fr0g voicing his opinions. That was a pretty mild comment, and squarely within the realm of the rules of this board. The ideas LoveMachine put forward are about par with those Oazaki posted and a lot worse was said about that guy.

Carry on.

Jordyn vbmenu_register("postmenu_1520065", true);
devils delight
^
If the laws of the eco-system are relative to spirit life -- then I must notice a pattern. In nature -- one creature that enters the other is most often a parasite and is not a symbiot. I don't like the image or the deeds of religions and occult. Aztex is just one example of a fear-filled heirarchy that led to human loss and unnatural, unhealthy actions.

You think that the 'demonkin' don't understand humans? I think that they understood me very well when they were damaging my mind years ago. Human action is based on need, desire and human nature. Our organic needs shape our action's general direction, but the games that demons play are even more mundane then the ones that humans play. [because they have no human needs]

I've known of many, many people who got all sorts of hostile side effects from trying to get out of the occult after being deep within it for so long -- because the demonic parasites don't want to lose their host/pawn after they worked so long at programming him or her.

The illuminati are turning capitolism against anti-spiritistic monotheism. Their final goal is to demon posses all life on earth. World war 3 is in the making. All that they want is to control your mind and feed off of your energy.

You'll see that I'm right years from now. Isreal and the Islamic religion are the target. The illuminati have already conquered Christianity. Over a thousand of demonized devisions filled with lies exist now. "Holy spirit" died out a long time ago. The next target is Islam.

thefr0g vbmenu_register("postmenu_1520102", true);
Registered User

"I was blunt, but I didn't call the guy a raving jackass like I was actually thinking."
^
I feel and think what I do for a reason. If people were not in-secure they wouldn't be so easily offended but humans are fear-filled beings who feel that they must defend things that aren't even part of their physical body.