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03-24-03

5:10 2002-07-08
JERUSALEM TIMES: IRAQ AND SAUDIS FUND TERROR
The Official Palestinian newspaper Jerusalem Times has published that Saudi Arabia and Iraq are continuing to financially assist the families of suicide bombers. The family of a Palestinian killed by IDF forces while attempting to carry out a terrorist attack will receive $10,000, while families of suicide bombers will receive $25,000. This funding of Palestinian terror encourages suicide bombings in light of the tough economic reality of the Palestinian population. The transfer of money to the families strengthens the dependency between the Palestinian Authority and Saudi Arabia and Iraq, and causes an increase in Saddam Hussein's popularity among the Palestinian nation.

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03-24-03

If you take out the big dogs that are funding these things and you fucking over throw their military...for now anyway you can dramatically curb the threat of terrorist action.


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Afriad not. Removing one of the sources of funding also serves to increase the effectivness of recruiting drives.Not to mention that Iraiqis will themselves become terrorists if the western powers outstay their welcome instead of just habouring a few groups.


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I never asked you to argue with me but obviously you've been entertained to some extent or you'd just go away. The whole "independent thought" speech I think has been played out in another thread around here so you can imagine how bored I am of you.
Firstly: I'm bothering with this post, as i believe EVERYONE has the rightr to be educated and informed, along with their RIGHT TO LIVE...

I just realised what you remind me of...
A Sheep.
Just keep following the rest of the herd, and all will be fine.
As to the independent thought,..
Im beginning to fully appreciate where your coming from & how hard (for someone like yourself) to do the simple thing of: ACTUALLY THINKING FOR YOURSELF.
It is quite mentally challenging istn it.

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I'm learning about things everyday but still...as much as it just tears a wider hole in your ass...I chose to side with my country and support "our" President and "our" troops.
Does talking about an 'apparent' hole in my arse, get you excited or something ? Either way, its good to see your learning new things.

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Don't talk to me about propaganda please...you are the ones buying all of Sadams shit.
Answer these simple questions then:
WHERE ARE SADAM's WMD ?
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE ?


If you are so confident in what you speak is the "truth",
then you can answer these simple questions and provide suitable links to substaniate your claims.
Otherwise your proven that youve brought into the propoganda rhetoric coming from the Whitehouse.

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Why you are so concerned about the quality of my life or education is beyond me...why you feel that you are so above me is interesting.
Anyway here is some Bin Laden shit for you to suck on...another example of weak minds letting the enemies propaganda fill their heads and turning on their own country...it's realy just a shame is all...
I have hope that maybe you might stop buying into all the Bullshit, and believe EVERYONE has the right to SELF-DETERMINATION and SELF-GOVERNANCE.
Obviously though, for those who wont support this, there is always euthanasia.

And good 'ol Bin Laden,.. he's like a part of the great American family, only he got disowned.
AND WHO SUPPLIED BIN LADEN WITH TRAINING AND FINANCE DURING THE RUSSO-AFGHAN WAR ?
THE CIA !
I always thought going after Bin Laden demonstrated the true hypocrisy which exists within the US Gov't.

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Propaganda: -The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.


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Firstly: I'm bothering with this post, as i believe EVERYONE has the rightr to be educated and informed, along with their RIGHT TO LIVE...

I just realised what you remind me of...
A Sheep.
Just keep following the rest of the herd, and all will be fine.
As to the independent thought,..
Im beginning to fully appreciate where your coming from & how hard (for someone like yourself) to do the simple thing of: ACTUALLY THINKING FOR YOURSELF.
It is quite mentally challenging istn it.


Does talking about an 'apparent' hole in my arse, get you excited or something ? Either way, its good to see your learning new things.



Answer these simple questions then:
WHERE ARE SADAM's WMD ?
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE ?


If you are so confident in what you speak is the "truth",
then you can answer these simple questions and provide suitable links to substaniate your claims.
Otherwise your proven that youve brought into the propoganda rhetoric coming from the Whitehouse.


I have hope that maybe you might stop buying into all the Bullshit, and believe EVERYONE has the right to SELF-DETERMINATION and SELF-GOVERNANCE.
Obviously though, for those who wont support this, there is always euthanasia.

And good 'ol Bin Laden,.. he's like a part of the great American family, only he got disowned.
AND WHO SUPPLIED BIN LADEN WITH TRAINING AND FINANCE DURING THE RUSSO-AFGHAN WAR ?
THE CIA !
I always thought going after Bin Laden demonstrated the true hypocrisy which exists within the US Gov't.

If this helps with reading & understanding this post:
Propaganda: -The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
Your bothering with this post because I'm like Preperation H for your concious.

As for the sheep thing....that's what all of the antiwar protestors are saying about people who are down with this. What's funny is most of the people that are "down" have military family and have access to more information than you do. So you remind me of an old played out blind hippy.

This isn't about my fucking independant thinking...calling me dependant is like saying that rain is dry. What makes my opinion any less independant than yours is what I'd like to know. So basically your saying that pro war are sheep and all the cool independant thinkers are the antiwar mongers. What do independant thinkers have to do with facts anyway? I mean if you want I can get real creative in thought for you but the facts are the facts and this isn't about art appreciation 101.

If I knew where Saddams WMD's were...this war would be over already dumbass... what a question. Hold on let me get my crystal ball...

I do believe that everyone has the right to self governance so if you want to buy into Saddams propaganda keep at it...it's your choice and I've made mine.

I know what Propaganda is fuck head why don't you answer me a question...
wheres the PROOF that I'm wrong and your right?


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03-26-03

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Afriad not. Removing one of the sources of funding also serves to increase the effectivness of recruiting drives.Not to mention that Iraiqis will themselves become terrorists if the western powers outstay their welcome instead of just habouring a few groups.
How do you know. Did West Germany become terrorists?


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How do you know. Did West Germany become terrorists?
Well they have the terrorist group Red Army Faction. No idea what they`re doing though or when they began.Guess the carpet bombing took a lot of the fight out of them.
The Saudis on the other hand did become terrorists. Some arabs are having a change of heart about Sadam apparently, his popularity is improving slightly in his underdog agaisnt the heathens role.


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5:10 2002-07-08
JERUSALEM TIMES: IRAQ AND SAUDIS FUND TERROR
The Official Palestinian newspaper Jerusalem Times has published that Saudi Arabia and Iraq are continuing to financially assist the families of suicide bombers. The family of a Palestinian killed by IDF forces while attempting to carry out a terrorist attack will receive $10,000, while families of suicide bombers will receive $25,000. This funding of Palestinian terror encourages suicide bombings in light of the tough economic reality of the Palestinian population. The transfer of money to the families strengthens the dependency between the Palestinian Authority and Saudi Arabia and Iraq, and causes an increase in Saddam Hussein's popularity among the Palestinian nation.

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Was not not you, Starface, who brought up the credibility of News groups from the middle east? Maybe I can refresh your memory... I found your post...

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Well I guess if your reading the Iraq news your gonna feel that way. Yeah our president and our troops are just blowing up the fuck out of civilians for no reason what so ever just to see how cool the weapons are. Obviously they know something that YOU don't.
So the credibility of the Arab news is questionable, until they say something you decide you can deem as 'truth' because it is supporting the side you are arguing so valiantly before. But as soon as they say something you don't believe, then suddenly they are all a bunch of liars. Is that it?
  
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How do you know. Did West Germany become terrorists?
Did any other Country?



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Was not not you, Starface, who brought up the credibility of News groups from the middle east? Maybe I can refresh your memory... I found your post...

So the credibility of the Arab news is questionable, until they say something you decide you can deem as 'truth' because it is supporting the side you are arguing so valiantly before. But as soon as they say something you don't believe, then suddenly they are all a bunch of liars. Is that it?
Dont forget to seperate though Israel, from the other Arab states. Apparently Israel must "always" speak the truth like the US Whitehouse.

Apparently according to Starface, its very easy to determin what is Propoganda & what is the truth...
Her forumula: Everything she believes is the truth, and everything else is propaganda... and anyone who disagrees with her "defenitions" is a 'ass-hole'.

I suppose she'd support this same idea, when trying to attain a "defenition" for the words: Good and Evil.
Unfortunately for the 'mis'informed' people, there is no single universal defenition.
Evil by Defenition; IS ONLY EVER RELATIVE TO THE INDIVIDUAL.

If the US is ALWAYS right, then consider this:
Does the Media ever lie ?.... YES (I can provide links)
Does the US Gov't ever lie ?... YES (I can provide examples)

I wonder what the real Imperialist American agenda is during the next few years, and all the Wars (yes many) which will follow.... I wonder if its already been spelt out by Cheney & Rumsfeld in the 'Project for the new American Century':
refer: http://www.newamericancentury.org/


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Was not not you, Starface, who brought up the credibility of News groups from the middle east? Maybe I can refresh your memory... I found your post...



So the credibility of the Arab news is questionable, until they say something you decide you can deem as 'truth' because it is supporting the side you are arguing so valiantly before. But as soon as they say something you don't believe, then suddenly they are all a bunch of liars. Is that it?
I was simply showing that there are things being said in the media of both worlds that support both sides. I was emphasizing a point. Kind of like how the anti's say that the civilians are against us and then there are reports supporting both sides to that too. Can you grasp what I'm saying. Nice effort there though...you should be an investigator or something.


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Dont forget to seperate though Israel, from the other Arab states. Apparently Israel must "always" speak the truth like the US Whitehouse.

Apparently according to Starface, its very easy to determin what is Propoganda & what is the truth...
Her forumula: Everything she believes is the truth, and everything else is propaganda... and anyone who disagrees with her "defenitions" is a 'ass-hole'.

I suppose she'd support this same idea, when trying to attain a "defenition" for the words: Good and Evil.
Unfortunately for the 'mis'informed' people, there is no single universal defenition.
Evil by Defenition; IS ONLY EVER RELATIVE TO THE INDIVIDUAL.

If the US is ALWAYS right, then consider this:
Does the Media ever lie ?.... YES (I can provide links)
Does the US Gov't ever lie ?... YES (I can provide examples)

I wonder what the real Imperialist American agenda is during the next few years, and all the Wars (yes many) which will follow.... I wonder if its already been spelt out by Cheney & Rumsfeld in the 'Project for the new American Century':
refer: http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Whoever said that the US never lies or that were not guilty of terrible things? Not I. I pretty much ignore opinions and information given by people expressing them. I'm only going by what I believe from the facts that I have. Who's to say Damar was evil...perhaps in the eyes of cannibles he was doing the world a favor by getting rid of fags...that's how stupid your shit just sounded to me.


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I thought it was pretty funny today when the Trucks came in from the US and Britain to help the civilians in Iraq and that guy said, "Sadam clothes us and feeds us...Sadam gives us these things..." and then like everyone scrapped over the goods like they hadn't eaten in forever. Wheres the pride? Why not boycott our offerings if Saddam is so on it. I heard the American POW's were all killed. Hopefully were not still wiping our POW's asses for them.


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