Once again while eating breakfast and listening to the news I heard them saying that there was a line around baghdad, basically, and when the coalition troops cross it, saddam said he will start using chemical weapons against the coalition forces. If that's true, then things are about to get really nasty. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Do you really think they would be bombing a city that they suspect that chemical or biological weapons are hidden in?

..although, with Bush's record on the environment...

Yeah the invisable red line of doom or whatever. Not really going to work unless his biological agents work on contact with skin.
All the WMD`s if there are any will be the last line of defense.

hehehe "invisable red line"

Good ole Saddam

i can see it now, saddam comming to the edge of bagdhad with his saber scraping a line in the sand, cross this and you DIE american imperialist pigs!!!

1. Saddam was accused of having chemical weapons during the Gulf War, and before, and using them against people. This was false.
2. President Bush, Sr. was found guilty of war crimes for what happened in the Gulf War.
3. President Bush, Jr. is about as intelligent as a brick, and I think he's already broken a few rules.

What rules? Well, it's against the...I think...Geneva Convention to attack soldiers outside of combat, and yet we went and blew up a group of commanders in their army while they were getting into bed.
Also, I highly doubt there will be chemical weapons thrown around...but if they are used he'll wait until they all clump up in a big group.

In parting, I'd like to point out to all that we made Saddam what he is today by brutalizing his country, not to mention the civilians and military that he had over there.

And from what I can tell we're doing it again..for no reason.

well if he uses them, then he gives bush the "i told you so" advantage...and loses all his sympathy he has so far gathered to date without bush being able to prove so...but if not, than bush still looks like an idiot with a "my guns are bigger" attitude...and then he'll have to come up with some other justification for this war if it's shown that saddam is nothing other than a poor leader, it'll be interesting to see who'll give first...

I like your Dark(Black) Magician Girl image, Jordyn.

Anywho. Yeah...if he doesn't use them then he's proving how defenseless he is(AGAIN), and that means this is all just a brutal massacre(which we already know), and it means that Bush is following the steps that his father took.

I really hope he's found guilty just like his daddy, who waited until after the elections to attack Iraq with over 100,000 soldiers...and to create the Highways of Death...(most disturbing massacre in the past 20 years).

thanks john, you should see some of the pictures i've posted in adult images of her *wink, wink*

on topic, i don't think he'll use them, bush is digging himself a hole...why would hussein want to fill it in for him?

It's also against the Geneva dealyo to air POW's on the television so Saddam broke that one.

Yeah, but when was the last time that you heard about Saddam signing any sort of treaty, bill, or even saying that he would listen to what the Geneva Convention said?

Also, look to America. We've broken rule after rule, and we still do it. He's just emulating America's own style since it worked so brutally well against him during the "Gulf War".

I have a friend who is from Kurdistan.... he would disagree with you as would several of his dead relatives...... I just talked to him this morning.... he hopes that the US brings Saddam down hard and keeps Turkey from harming the Kurds.....

he attests to Saddams troops using Gas on innocent civilians.... nothing better than hearing it from someone who was there.... you should be aware that some of the rhetoric about past deeds is false yet some of it is quite true....

This was written by a Kurd who witnessed the bombing and gassing of innocent Kurdish folk....


A Glance at the position of the town of Halabja

City of Halabja, with a population of about 70,000 is in the province of Sulaimanya, 260 kilometers north-east
of the city of Baghdad. It is surrounded by the heights of Suran, Balambu, Shireh-roudi and Shaghan in the north,
south and east.The lake of the dam of Darbandikhan is to the west of this town. Halabja which is within 1 1 kilometers
of the nearest Iranian borderline occupies a green and fertile area covered with forest vegetation. Most of the people
of Halabja are farmers or cattle breeders. Halabja and its surrounding villages such as Khormal and Dojeyleh have for
long witnessed the struggles of the Kurds against the Iraqi regime.




What happened to Halabja on the Bloody Friday?

The brutal massacre of the oppressed and innocent people of Halabja began before the sunrise of Friday, 18th of
March 1988. The Iraqi regime committed its most tragic and horrible crime from the beginning of the imposed war
until now against the civilian people on Friday, 18th of March. On that day, Halabja was bombarded more than twenty
times by Iraqi regime's warplanes with chemical and cluster bombs. That Friday afternoon, the magnitude of Iraqi crimes
became evident. In the streets and alleys of Halabja, corpses piled up over one another. Tens of children, while playing in
front of the their houses in the morning, were martyred instantly by cyanide gases. The innocent children did not even have
time to run back home. Some children fell down at the threshold of the door of their houses and never rose again.




A mother who embraced her one-year-old baby, fell down two steps from her house and was martyred. In a 150 meter area in
the main street of Halabja, at least fifty women and children were martyred as a result of the deployment of the chemical weapons.
A father was sitting over the bodies of his wife and ten of his children in one of the alleys of Halabja and was wailing. The sound of
his wailing touched any cruel human being. The crimes were huge, very huge.

In a Simorgh Van, the corpses of 20 women and children who had been prepared to leave the town and the chemical bombardment
of the town had deprived them of this opportunity, made any observer stop and ponder about the depth of the catastrophe. Fatal wounds
on the corpses of these innocent people were evident.

The doors of most houses were left open and inside of each house, there were some martyred and wounded people.
The enemy had heightened the cruelty and heart-handedness to its peak and took no pity on its own people.
Saddam's crime in the chemical bombardment of Halabja has indeed been unprecedented in the history of
the imposed war. Saddam's crime in Halabja can never be compared to the tragedy of the chemical bombardment of Sardasht.
In Halabja more than five thousand people were martyred and over seven thousand more people were wounded.
Women and children formed 75 percent of the martyrs and wounded of the bloody Friday of Halabja.



Along with Halabja, Khormal, Dojaileh and their surrounding villages were also chemically bombarded frequently
but the center of the catastrophe was Halabja.



Nadriyeh Mohammed Fattah, a 15 year-old girl who
studied in the technical high school of Halabja

The Repetition of a Crime which Has Been Condemned Several Times

The Iraqi regime signed the 1925 protocol of Geneva of the prohibition of the deployment of the chemical and biological
weapons in wars in 1931. The regulations of the 1972 Convention of Geneva requesting all countries to cease production,
completion and conservation of all kinds of chemical and biological weapons and to demolish them and the UN 37/98 resolution
emphasizing the necessity of observing the articles and contents of the 1925 protocol and the 1972 Convention of Geneva have
also been accepted by the UN member countries including Iraq.

In late April 1987, twenty four villages of Iraq's Kurdistan were targeted by the chemical bombardment These villages were
chemically bombarded twice in less than 48 hours. Saber Ahmad Khoshnam, one of the inhabitants of the bombarded villages
in Loqmanodulleh Hospital in Tehran on 28th of April 1987, told reporters that the Iraqi warplanes dropped 18 chemical bombs
at Sheikh Dassan, Kani Bard, Pasian and Tuteman villages. He said that more than one hundred people of these villages were
wounded and that he had witnessed that an entire family in Parsian village lost their sight. In the course of the chemical
bombardment of the late April 1987 of the Iraqi villages, more than 130 innocent villagers were martyred and about five hundred
of them were wounded.

The Iraqi regime has deployed chemical weapons against its own people while the UN general secretary's representatives
during their visits to Iran in two occasions, prepared detailed reports from the deployment of the chemical weapons against
the civilian people and submitted them to the United Nations in reports number S/1 6433 and S/18852 and after the submission
of these reports by the general secretary to the Security Council, eventually this council, too, joined those individuals and
organizations who condemned Iraq's deployment of chemical weapons. But despite all these condemnations, Baghdad's
rulers have continued their crimes.

The Gases Deployed against the People of Halabja

The Iraqi regime, in the chemical bombardment of Halabja and the surrounding towns and villages, has deployed
three kinds of chemical gases. According to the findings of Iranian physicians, the mustard, nerve and cyanide gases
have been used against civilians in Halabja and its surroundings. A group of the martyrs of the chemical bombarderat
of Halabja, after inhaling the cyanide gas, were suffocated immediately. Post-mortem examination of the bodies of
the chemical bombarderat of Halabja, has proved that the suffocation of the most of the martyrs has been due to the inhalation of cyanide gas.



Mass media and Iraq's crimes in Halabja

The Iraqi regime's crimes in chemically bombing the Halabja town were too grave for any humanbeing to overbook.
Correspondents of the western and American mass media who have visited Halabja, found out some facts about
the horrible crimes committed by the Iraqi regime.

Also, the radio and televisions network in the United States, France, and Britain, by broadcasting a short film of
the chemical massacre of the Halabja residents, made their audiences familiar with the most horrible crimes in
the history after the atomic bombardment of Hiroshima and Nakazaki Some of the materials reelected by
the world press concerning the chemical bombardment of Halabja are as follows:



Article by the correspondent of the London Daily., the independent, published on 23rd of March, 1988:
" ... The reported slaughter of 5,000 Kurds in Iraqi poison gas attacks underlines a dangerous new dimension
in the volatile middle east: the growth of the chemical warfare capability of several important regional powers, and
the fear that, despite efforts to curb these weapons, they could be used more widely.

".. (in producing chemical weapons) Iraq has apparently been helped by British, west German, Indian, Austrian, Belgian,
and Italian companies, despite bans on the sale of chemical that could have military use...

"... There is evidence that the Iraqis did drop poison gas bombs on the towns because the traditionally rebellious Kurds,
who have been fighting for autonomy from Baghdad for years, welcomed the Iranian (troops)."

French Television m 23rd, and 24th of March, 1988

Different French Television networks, on Thursday and Wednesday on 23rd and 24th of March 1988, the first pictures of corpses
of thousands of those martyred and wounded of the chemical bombing in Halabja were broadcast.

The commentators of the French Television, described these crimes as intolerable, disgusting and horrible. Some commentators
considered the crimes of Saddam as even more horrible than some of Hitter's crimes.

The first channel of the French Television noted that it is not the first time that the Baghdad regime had deployed chemical weapons,
however this is the first time that Iraq, is so vastly deploying them against the civilians.

Andrew Gowers, middle east editor, and Richard Johns of the London Daily, Financial Times, writing on 23rd of March, 1988:

"... What has been happening in the last year, especially the last week, in a remote corner of north-east Iraq reveals unplumbed
depths of savagery...

Alistair Hay, pathology professor at Leeds university, England, speaking on BBC Television News, and BBC Radio
World Service oh 22nd and 23rd of March, 1988:

" The Kurds have claimed for a number of months, perhaps over a year, that Iraq has been using chemical agents against them.
But this latest occasion seems to be the first really documented case that we have where chemical agents have been used.

"Iraq has used chemical agents against Iran on a very large scale for three years now. And although the west and other
countries have been condemnatory about that use, the country (Iraq) still felt secure enough to use chemical agents.
They have used them because these agents are very effective against and opposition that has no protection and until
such time as there is perhaps an end to war war, or suff icient sanctions against Iraq to persuade it not to use chemical
agents, I'm afraid they will continue to use them or so it seems."


"The United Nations have had three investigations into the use of chemical warfare agnets in the Iraq-Iran war and
they have said unequivocally on all three occasions that Iraq has used chemical warfare agents. They have said that
mustard gas was certainly used on all three occasions, that is in 1984, 1986 anti 1987. and they have also said that
they have evidenced that a nerve agent, tabun, was also used. The investigation was carried by a well qualified team, so
l have no doubt in my mind that they have been used."

Article from Halabja by David Hirt, Middle East correspondent of London Daily, the Guardian, published on March 23, 1988:

" No wounds, no blood, no traces of explosions can be found on the bodies - scores of men, women and children,
livestock and pet animals - that litter the flat-topped dwellings and crude earthen streets in this remote and neglected
Kurdish town...


" The skin of the bodies is strangely discolored, with their eyes open and staring where they have not disappeared into
their sockts, a grayish slime oozing from their mouths and their fingers still grotesquely twisted.

" Death seemingly caught them almost unawares in the midst of their household chores. They had just the strength, some
of them, to make it to the doorways of their homes, only to collapse there a few feet beyond. Here a mother seems to
clasp her children in a last embrace, there an old man shields an infant from he cannot have known what...

"It is hard to conceive of any explanation for the chemical bombardment of Halabja other than the one which
Iranians and Kurds offer - revenge...

"As artillery continues to rumble round the hills, Halabja stands silent and deserted except for what they can
find and a dazed old man, absent during the bombing, who has come back in search of his family..."


((I can post pictures as well if necesary...))

Here foer your perusal Dear John....

it is a small part of the above posted story...

The Iraqi regime signed the 1925 protocol of Geneva of the prohibition of the deployment of the chemical and biological
weapons in wars in 1931. The regulations of the 1972 Convention of Geneva requesting all countries to cease production,
completion and conservation of all kinds of chemical and biological weapons and to demolish them and the UN 37/98 resolution
emphasizing the necessity of observing the articles and contents of the 1925 protocol and the 1972 Convention of Geneva have
also been accepted by the UN member countries including Iraq.

So in fact they DID sign the geneva treaties.....

Also... I live in a state (Utah) which has a Military disposal area for Chemical weapons.... over the past 10 years the US has destroyed tons of chemical weapons.... right now they are working on thier nearly unlimited supply of VX gas..... which is only a few miles from where I live...

I`ve seen more Iraqi POW`s used for PR than American.Guess that doesnt count if they turn off the sound or as someone explained dont watch CNN/BBC/Every other channel that shows them?