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08-19-01

Do you mean in the sense of their punishment? That would tell more about the similarities between God and Zeus...and I'm not going there yet...


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Actually - 08-19-01

I mean in the sense of whow they affected humanity.



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08-19-01

That takes me back to an earlier question again : how has Lucifer affected humanity?


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Well, like I said. - 08-19-01

He gave them music, poetry, romantic love (not that these are bad things). The mian problem was romantic love, where before, the only love one could have was sexual (which was passing at best) and love for God. Now you could love your fellow human being, detracting your attention from God.



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08-19-01

Where did you find that Lucifer provided these things? Except from your teacher, I mean...


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Nowhere special..... - 08-19-01

From writings of Rudolf Steiner. In other words, not exactly a reliable source, but heck, it makes sense to me!



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Whatever rocks your boat. Still not enough to convince me, though.


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wait.... - 08-19-01

What exactly do you want to know?



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08-19-01

What I'm not convinced of? That Lucifer, Satan and the serpent has similarities. I can accept certain similar aspects between Satan and the serpent, but in my opinion, Lucifer stands in a league of his own.


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well, m'kay! - 08-19-01

And which league is that? This IS NOT a challenge, i just want tyo know what you think. And plus, which light did he bring?



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08-19-01

What I mean by league is that Lucifer is not basically evil. I dont know if the snake could be considered evil, that depends on its motives, of which we know nothing about. But unlike Satan and the snake, Lucifer never harmed Man. If your teacher was right, Lucifer could have given Man these gifts to show God He is not all-powerful, that his reign is easy to break. In other words, a challenge, or the acts of a jealous child. But not evil.

The name Lucifer means lightbringer, or lightbearer. He is also known as the child of dawn. This because he was made of fire, and also Gods first creation and favourite child. Until Man came, that is.


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We suck! - 08-19-01

We're like heaven's little brothers that always get them in trouble with dad.



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08-19-01

Yup. And you wonder why I dont worship God? as soon as Adam was created, God forgot everything about Lucifer, totally neglecting him. Quite a loving, flawless God, don't you think?


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Yes, actually. - 08-19-01

In all honesty, I love the God i believe in and I know I am loved by God, but one con't always understand the motives of a God. Why would we need religion, or any spirituality, for that matter, if the divine were not mysterious?



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*kicks typo demon* - 08-19-01

BAD BITCH!



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08-19-01

Satan..hebrew for the adversary appears as the prosecutor seducer/tempter.Luke 10:18 which says that satan falls from heaven like lightning
Lucifer....latin for light bringer.Isiah 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer son of the morning.

Set... God of ancient Egypt, he who commands winds and storm,warlike god, born of Ra who protected him from the evil serpent and yet who slew Osiris as a serpent.
Set appears with red hair and red eyes, the egyptian color of evil.The christian Satan has red eyes and red skin. Set came to be seen as the personification of evil in ancient Egypt and was ruler of the desert, christ went into the desert and met the devil.Set appeared as a Typhonian animal with a curving snout and tufted tail, the christian devil is seen as a composite creature with a strange tail. Set was associated with pigs, jews don't eat pigs.
The horns of Satan, added to demonize the prevalent sexually based animal worshipping cults that persisted in europe.
Set rode in the boat of Ra to protect Ra but was also cast out into the Stars of the Great Bear "how thou art fallen from heaven O Lucifer son of the morning", just as the stars fall from the sky each day.
Set threatened Ra each day and Ra ordered him chased away that Ra might make the divine dawn.
Just a different take on the subject.
I like your Promethian theory Clearwitch.
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Wha? - 08-19-01

Wasn't set second geberation to Ra? Either wya, that was VERY insightful. Thank you.



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08-19-01

Thanks Guy, its interesting isn't it,the parallels between the two.
Yes you're right, Set wasn't born directly of Ra.Ra produced Shu/Tefnut who produced Geb/Nut who produced Set I was being a bit too christian in my description, Ra as the divine source creating all beneath him,just as Satan was technically born of god.
  
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Okydoky. - 08-19-01

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but he's also the god of hate. And his sister/wife is the goddess of love?



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By his acts, Set would have been seen as a god of hate/jealousy. His sister wife, Nephthys by her close association with Isis, would have been associated with love and in her role as protectress of the dead she would maybe have contradicted the destructive qualities of Set who possibly brought eternal death. Whereas she ensured new life.
  
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