Or should have been called "New India" so them folks could really be called indians

If you're so wracked with guilt over it, then put up, or shut up. Find a Native American, or Indian, or whatever you want to call them, give him your house, then move to Europe.

I feel no guilt. I didn't do shit. I call them indigenous people or I call them by their clan group.

I was just pointing out the profound misnomer.

When they bother to come to a concensus as to what they'd actually like to be called, I'll be happy to oblige...

Try calling them Americans. And treat them as such?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I'd love to do that! The problem is that America is afflicted with identity politics so much that you can't do that. Every little group wants to have their own little title, and special consideration under the law. It's slowly ripping our society apart. Someday within the next 2 or 3 decades, I won't be surprised if there's a civil war in America that will look a lot like Yugoslavia.

BTW about what to call us. Call us what you like just use the terms out of genuine respect. Thats all any body I know asks. I use native american solely because its technicaly correct but I dont mind being called an indian by someone who means no ill will by it

Cool! I dragged one of the guests onto the board!

I'll respond to your points in detail tomorrow. It's too late right now, and I'm tired.

Who's the racist now?

That's what we do. Whites are unique for that. We argue among ourselves on the morality of how we treat other races. We had a war in which one of the central issues was African slaves. Even though I come down on the harsh side of these debates, I think it makes us a pretty damn good bunch of people.

As I said before, it isn't about morality. Groups of people fight over things. Always have, always will. The winners write the history and make the rules.

And we're still debating aspects of this. Some say our rights are only for U.S. citizens, some say otherwise. Your people were the enemy, so they weren't protected.

Lincoln suspended some rights on white Americans so he could more easily fight rebellious white Americans. It can cut both ways.

I know the Sundance is still illegal. The reason had something to do with Sitting Bull. I'm not too clear on that. Maybe you could enlighten me.

Not for sport. It was never for sport. It was because your people were competitors for the land, and were willing to fight for it. There's so much you can be proud of about your history. Why do you want to think of yourself as a powerless victim?

Another debate for another thread. The land looks good to me, and we do so many more productive things with it than your people did. That's why people are willing to walk across deserts, and float on inner tubes through shark infested waters to come here illegally. It's a great place.

This COUNTRY always was a white nation. Your people didn't create the United States Of America, European colonists did. You're confusing the land with the nation. We took the land you weren't able to defend, and created the wonderful thing known as America.

I assume you're talking about me. Is "baffon" a word I'm not familiar with, or did you mean "buffoon"?

I think it's curious that your dislike only goes to people who aren't willing to kiss your ass with a bunch of meaningless PC nonsense. I'm the only one who's dealing with reality in this thread. You and the others are living in a fantasy land.

Aside from all that, welcome to the board! I'm glad I was able to piss you off enough to register and post. I look forward to arguing with you in the future.

Yes you are. The second sentence of your post proves it.

Geneva is a joke. Always has been.

There is no morality in clashes between civilizations. It's kill or be killed. It sounds harsh, but it's true. Morality doesn't stop bullets.

No, I'm not a Nazi. Your use of that word shows your total ignorance of its true meaning. I know Nazis, and I frequently argue with them too.

I suggested that the people who feel guilty about it should follow this suggestion. I don't feel guilty. I think I'll stay and piss you off a little more.

Just the ones that don't want to kiss your ass?

Sense is uncommon, and I'm using far more of it than you are.

I do respect the Indians. You have a fucked up idea of the meaning of the word respect. Here's some examples. We didn't commit genocide on Africans. We bought them, bred them like animals, and forced them to perform hard labor, but we let them live, and now there is a large and thriving black population here. We killed your people, treating them like the dangerous enemy that they were.

WHICH IS MORE RESPECTFUL?

In a historical context I have great respect for your people. Just like I would have great respect for an enraged grizzly bear if it was charging toward me in the woods. My respect wouldn't stop me from pulling the trigger.

I AM a racist. I don't cover it up. I am NOT a White Nationalist, White Supremecist, or Nazi. Though only a person who is one of those would know the difference.

I post on racist boards too. I don't feel like searching for old posts, but if you really want, I can link you to posts of mine on other boards where I'm sticking up for the history of your people against white supremecists.

Was he the AIM guy who wanted to turn that group into a terrorist organization? Please enlighten me.

I thought you were half white. Anyway, good for you, your tribe was still resisting past the point where there was any possibility of winning. I like that.

100% bullshit!

I'm more familiar with the eastern tribes than the western, but the Iroquoi confederation dominated almost all the land east of the Mississippi long before Columbus came here. They demanded tribute from all the tribes they had conquered, and slaughtered them if they didn't pay up.

The tribes fought with each other, just like all other groups of people have fought with each other throughout human history. Your people are humans, just like the rest of us. You aren't special.

That's what happens when people move around the planet. It happened in Europe too. Deal with it.

I'm way ahead of you.

Blah blah blah. I've addressed all this before.

I prefer to use Native American, but I'm lazy, so I prefer to type Indian. I do mean both in respect, but you probably still don't believe me.

HAHAHAS first off honestly I never said you didnt respect simply your justifications are ill based. Secondly the term nazi I used was not meant to imply a politicaly based belief system as the exact deffinition entails. I used the term nazi in the sense of unadulturated slaughter with poor justifications such as technical nazis did and still do. Also no I was not way off and none of it was bull shit when I said 90% of the tribes were peacefull 90% out of countless tribes still leaves a very large portion unaccounted for. Funny that you meantion the Iriqouis Nation though. DOminated yes. Through force? sometiimes. The Iriqouis Nation was not simply one tribe if you did your research. It consisted of an alliance of many tribes under one council. It was in effect a confederation style government.

You arent too far off on Leonard Peltier HOWEVER inone of the documents retrieved dureing his arrest indicated anything about terrorism. There has been ALOT of proff surfaced that says he was innocent of all charges he was convicted for. He is a political prisoner in an illegal manner. By federal law an appeals judge is supposed to view all new evidence that is brought forward no matter how long after the fact.


Yes my people WERE hunted for sport look in any library for historical docuents from the time and you can see many cases of this.Besides wholesale slaughter is never required for victory. If not for sport the explain the intentional killing of those unwilling and unable to fight? Surely it wasnt out of nessecity.

Do you even know what the term watitou means? I have a VERY clear understanding of its deffinition. I can tell you know it is not nessecarily an insulting term. If I were going to insult you or anyone in another language (which I wont do for simple politeness reasons) Id have used another term.


Also lets examine something shall we? Good lets. Yes people come to this country on a daily basis and risk thier lives. Most of them have no real comprehension of how this government really works and you obviously dont either. The government here IS just as corrupt,cruel, immoral, raeist, prejudice (because raceism and prejudism are two different things that you as a self proclaimed raceist should well know), and down right disgusting as any other in the world they just hide it better. The genieva convention may be somewhat of a joke but guess what, so is the type of warfare you speak of. Honour should ALLWAYS be employed in the art of war.

Funny also how you automaticly seem to think the civil war was about raceism. You do realize that slavery was not brought into the issues surounding the war untill the second half of it. There are several documents that show the southern government was working on a bill that would have set the slaves free anyway. The south succeded from the union based on the fact they didnt wish to be industrialized which was what the north was trying to enforce. Lincoln made slavery an issue inorder to ensure more black enlistment in the union army.


Btw lol I actually didnt register to argue with you (as fun as that may be lol). I registered at the bequest of a friend. Dont be so concieted as to think that your good enough to draw people in like that cause your not. Though I do like your Ash avatar though Id have chosen a pic of the all might Bruce from part 2 rather then army of darkness lol.

Honestly I dont care if anyone kisses my ass or not that gives me no more or less respect for them. What I do however care about is someone to use actually VALID points agree with me or not. Not might makes right bull shit. A word of honest and nonoffensive advice, do some actuall research into what happened before opening your mouth about it (or fingers as the case may be).


One last thing your not too far off on the illegalities issue however it was the Spiritdance and had little to nothing to do with sitting bull. The Spiritdance was to awaken the dead to help fight. Sitting Bull presided over one or two instances of this dance BUT was not the one that called for it to happen.

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Thanks and please continue

heh, lanthros' post takes up the whole entire page......

.....he def. gets kudos for least being opinionated.....