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Ask yourself, what group was involved in the attacks on 911? Can we say Islamic Fundamentalists? It's not "sensitive" to say it, but its true.
I know you Libs loather and fear the Christian Fundamentalists (and I share those concerns), but how can you be so blind to the danger from the Islamic Fundamentalists?
The 911 attacks would have been avoided had we been more strict about who we let in our borders.
If we continue to allow hostile populations to freely cross our borders, then its only a matter of time before a small nuke will be carried across the border and into an American city.
I would prefer to have kept Islam contained in the midde east way back when. Its a superstition with a long history of aggression, regardless of what George Bush and the PC brigade have to say.
BTW, Some of you need to be reminded that Islam is a religion and not a race. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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exactly. Our borders should be more secure. Illegal immigrants should be sent back.
Our borders should be secure against all religions and races.. and illegal immigrants of all religions and races should be sent back.
Al Qaeda isn't dumb.. they know racial profiling is going on.. they know who the USA is looking for. They can just get a Tim Mcveigh looney and get the job done. All this racial profiling may help .. but its also distracting. Distracting from the bigger picture that only muslim arabs aren't the enemies. | |
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Yeah, that'll stop people flying aeroplanes in to landmarks. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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So the general concensus is...
What they're doing is right, but how they're going about it is wrong.
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It seems politically incorrect to mention religions. In Indonesia muslim fanatics have burned down christian homes and churches and mutilated all the nuns and priests. Why can't we call it what it is??? A war for freedom of religion and belief.
I heard this story from a reliable source however I haven't seen confirmation. 50 years ago in Malaysia there was a small militant muslim fantatical uprising. Raids and killings began occuring on a regular basis on christian communities. I believe it was a british squad bought in to deal with the terrorism that finally captured 20 of the raiders. They lined them up against a wall and seperated one from the bunch. They proceeded to dip their bullets in pigs blood and shoot the terrorists.They then sent the remaining survivor back to the his band. He was so terrified by what he had seen that there had been peace in Malaysia for the following 50 years. The reason for his fear (obviously not the death of his kindred)? Apparently pigs blood will contaminate a muslims soul enough for him to not reach the afterlife.
Like I said, I haven't seen confirmation of this story and I don't know if it has been elaborated and I'm not condoning it. I just thought it interesting.
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Quote: Originally posted by Sixgun_Symphony Ask yourself, what group was involved in the attacks on 911? Can we say Islamic Fundamentalists? It's not "sensitive" to say it, but its true.
I know you Libs loather and fear the Christian Fundamentalists (and I share those concerns), but how can you be so blind to the danger from the Islamic Fundamentalists?
The 911 attacks would have been avoided had we been more strict about who we let in our borders.
If we continue to allow hostile populations to freely cross our borders, then its only a matter of time before a small nuke will be carried across the border and into an American city.
I would prefer to have kept Islam contained in the midde east way back when. Its a superstition with a long history of aggression, regardless of what George Bush and the PC brigade have to say.
BTW, Some of you need to be reminded that Islam is a religion and not a race. | So you're flat-out saying that we shouldn't let Muslims in this country, is that correct? What about Christians and Hindus, then? They also have violent, superstitious histories. Just get rid of all religions? When people talk of the freedom of writing, speaking or thinking I cannot choose but laugh. No such thing ever existed. No such thing now exists; but I hope it will exist. But it must be hundreds of years after you and I shall write and speak no more.
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It doesn't matter if this specific even happened or not. This sort of thing HAS been happening since 9/11. If you remember, there was a big media thing about it shortly after the attacks, but it was quickly hushed. Hey, bread is a good time for me...a-woodle-oo-doo, singing bread is a good time for EVERYbody...
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Quote: Originally posted by Dark Messiah So you're flat-out saying that we shouldn't let Muslims in this country, is that correct? What about Christians and Hindus, then? They also have violent, superstitious histories. Just get rid of all religions? | That's the operative word here isn't it?....HISTORY.....we can't keep looking back or we perpetuate the myths. The fact that today, muslin fundamentalists are the aggressors and we need to find a solution. It is not a myth that when a population becomes dominated by Islamic religion and culture suddenly people want to form an Islamic state and government. The problem then being that no other religion has freedom. Obviously you can't 'get rid' of all religions but I hope we will eventually find a solution where all the common factors of all religions will be the basis for society. Learn as if you were going to live forever. Live as if you were going to die tomorrow. --Mahatma Gandhi | |
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Quote: Originally posted by Dark Messiah Just get rid of all religions? | YES! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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i dont know which way to go.. part of me wants to say its a breech in peoples rights and such and its ethically wrong... but the people who are trying to destroy the US are sending sleeper agents here secretly training them here etc etc as in the case of 9/11... but i wouldnt say that thats becuase theyre middle eastern id say its because they were fanatical muslims... in that case though they would have to round up a number of white folks as well,Serbians, Albanians, Macedonians, etc etc. | |
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Quote: Originally posted by Soulfull That's the operative word here isn't it?....HISTORY.....we can't keep looking back or we perpetuate the myths. The fact that today, muslin fundamentalists are the aggressors and we need to find a solution. It is not a myth that when a population becomes dominated by Islamic religion and culture suddenly people want to form an Islamic state and government. The problem then being that no other religion has freedom. Obviously you can't 'get rid' of all religions but I hope we will eventually find a solution where all the common factors of all religions will be the basis for society. |
If you ignore history, then you have no place to talk about politics today. Things that happened a thousand years ago still have percussions today, because people still consider them important. When the Thugees were around, some people wanted to kill all Hindus, or stop them from coming into the country. When the Boxers were around, no one wanted the Chinese coming into the country. Religious fanaticism springs up and burns itself out, and it happens in all religions. So that being said, I too would like to see a World where all religions have equal oppurtunity- a World more like the US. Unfortunately, whenever we suggest that other countries let their people worship as they want, we get accused of opression, the dictators who rule these people complain about US agression, and then a bunch of fat hippies in their fifties driving SUV over here start complaining about how we're pushing our views on the rest of the World. There's also the bizarre lack of desire by our government to even WANT the rest of the World to have freedom of religion. I'm not sure why our government shows no interest in this, but they don't. When people talk of the freedom of writing, speaking or thinking I cannot choose but laugh. No such thing ever existed. No such thing now exists; but I hope it will exist. But it must be hundreds of years after you and I shall write and speak no more.
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a) Because of how well that worked in the USSR and China, right?
b) That's not your ava. Take it off. When people talk of the freedom of writing, speaking or thinking I cannot choose but laugh. No such thing ever existed. No such thing now exists; but I hope it will exist. But it must be hundreds of years after you and I shall write and speak no more.
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a) Its about the only thing that the communists ever got right.
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a) Based on what? They did it. Explain, then, how it helped them remotely. Because from where I'm standing, it looked like all their forced atheism did was cause needless pain and suffering. If you have some evidence to counter that, feel free to share, though.
b) Thieving bastard. When people talk of the freedom of writing, speaking or thinking I cannot choose but laugh. No such thing ever existed. No such thing now exists; but I hope it will exist. But it must be hundreds of years after you and I shall write and speak no more.
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*claps hands*
That's just what the Arab terrosits want. A chance to show how the evil americans persecute and subjugate the Islamic faithfull.
Religions come and go.... they trick is to not let them get powerful. The US trained up most muslim terrorsits to fight Russia.
Look how well that worked out.
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Quote: Originally posted by neonwraith *claps hands*
That's just what the Arab terrosits want. A chance to show how the evil americans persecute and subjugate the Islamic faithfull.
Religions come and go.... they trick is to not let them get powerful. The US trained up most muslim terrorsits to fight Russia.
Look how well that worked out.
Neon | for all that hot air you have yet to give one solution thats even remotely doable at this point in time... from thier islamic extreamist POV they will stop attacking the US and aiming at the US when the US denounces its support for israel, pulls out of the middle east and converts to Islam and forces Sharia laws on our people. Is that what your suggesting we do neon? | |
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Why is it that you people automaticaly assume that those of us who oppose the war on terrorism, must not want anything to be done?
I agree that action should be taken, but with careful consideration for what effect a course of action might have. If we go in there guns blazing, bombs a' dropping, steal their oil, and leave them with another shitty tyrannical leader. They will hate us even more. And those who might have been neutral toward the US will find many compelling reasons to consider us another enemy and a threat.
Do you really think these people attacked us just because they "hate freedom." Who the fuck hates freedom? Even with the majority of the populace of the United States in the grip of mass histeria so severe that they are willing to follow George W. Bush (and we wonder how they can follow their corrupt leaders. Hah!), even we would never say that we hate the idea of being able to make our own decisions and live our own lives. Oh, but we're still willing to trade essential liberty for the illusion of saftey! That's because we've been brainwashed to look at the outside world as a dangerous place were such "drastic" measures are necessary for our survival . . .
Open your fucking eyes! The sleeper must awaken and we must awaken peacefully and of our own accord; to a bright new morning of understanding and comprehension. Before we are rudley shocked awake in the dark.
Nahh. To do things the proper way and treat these foriegn people's as people would take more man-power and rescources then the US is willing to expend, so le | |