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Money - The Problem - 09-15-05

here you go, a documentary which explains the big problems facing the US economy today, in that we have a Plutochracy:

http://www.archive.org/details/MoneyMasters

this is a good video, and it forewarns the economic depression which is now hitting the US.

does anyone have problems with their mortgage or do you know of anyone who has debt problems?
  
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People have debt usually because they're either uneducated about the credit system, or they just don't give a shit. It's easy to not go into debt.

Don't buy what you can't afford. Don't put things on credit that you can't pay off. Get a job. There. Problems solved. I have no sympathy for people that take out second mortgages to fund European vacations or sports endeavors or plastic surgery.

Even in the case of mounting hospital bills... I had a huge one last year, even after health insurance paid the majority of it. They were very understanding about letting me pay it off in monthly installments. 5 months later... no debt.

Why blame the government when it can easily be traced back to stupidity on the part of human beings... once again.


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Why blame the government when it can easily be traced back to stupidity on the part of human beings... once again.
You ignorant lemming. It's all because of the jews. Don't you get it by now?
  
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I have both debt and a mortgage. Guess what. My equity outdoes my debt and may outpace my present loan if my condo keeps appreciating at this rate. American smarts and capitalism at work.

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People have debt usually because they're either uneducated about the credit system, or they just don't give a shit. It's easy to not go into debt.

Don't buy what you can't afford. Don't put things on credit that you can't pay off. Get a job. There. Problems solved. I have no sympathy for people that take out second mortgages to fund European vacations or sports endeavors or plastic surgery.

Even in the case of mounting hospital bills... I had a huge one last year, even after health insurance paid the majority of it. They were very understanding about letting me pay it off in monthly installments. 5 months later... no debt.

Why blame the government when it can easily be traced back to stupidity on the part of human beings... once again.

it's not that simple!

Have you ever heard of 'inflation'?

what would happen if you suddenly woke up one morning and discovered that a loaf of bread cost a $1000?

Obviously this is an extreme example, but seriously, this was the situation during the great depression, all through inflation. Hell, gas has jumped so much in the last few months, now this is driving inflation.

You see inflation does effect you even if your'e a responsible citizen and you have no debt, because the government manages the economy, if they get it wrong, then you suffer, not them.

The problem we have in the US, is as the guy shows in the film. The government has sub-contracted out the issuing of money to a private bank the Federal Reserve Bank (FR which is not a public or government instituition.

This bank as the guy shows is not a government run institution and hence is not accountable to the people of the US. It's run by private individuals who meet on a regular basis to decide how much money to issue and at what interest rate to set on loans made.

If they decide to set the interest rate to 3% then the government which has loaned money from them is forced to curtail it's spending to that it can meet this repayment. The government is also forced to raise taxes to meet the interest payments on the debt. Similarly private people who have loaned money from other banks who have in turned loaned money from the FRB are also effected in the same way.

If the FRB decides the raise the interest rate to 15%. Then this would trigger hyper inflation, and as such the price of a loaf of bread would double every 3 days, and there would be nothing you could do about it, unless you have taken the safe precaution of investing in your own farm and can grow your own wheat for your own bread.

You see, even the government is not really in charge, the FRB is. The film is very good because the guy in the film dosn't get political, but he shows how the 'money changers' have used this scam for centuries to enact unfair taxation and fiddle the money markets at peoples expense.

As you said, if ordinary people don't borrow then the problem would not exist, but this is not entirely true, because if your government decides to borrow, then they hit you with taxes to pay back the loan, and hence inflation then occurs.

The guy in the film also explains sensibley that they are now trying to engineer another depression which will place the whole world under their sinister scheme. George Bush is helping them and so are you by sitting on your backside and doing nothing.

Seriously one day soon your'e going to wake up and discover that a truck full of money will only be worth one loaf of bread, and your'e going to wonder, how the hell did we ever get in this situation.

read John Steinbeck to understand how serious a depression is!

The FRB is a money scam, that's all it is. The government could do something as suggested in the film by taking back the function of re-iussing money from the FRB, and hence it is once again in the hands of the people. However, the government won't do this until people start understanding what's going on and start understanding who to vote for in elections.

As the film show most countries in western Europe have operated under this system for several centuries, and hence unnessary wars have come and gone under the system, which ave made people like Rothschilds richer and richer and richer.

I believe Income Tax could be abolished if we get rid of the 'moneychangers, and would be fantastic!
  
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it's not that simple!

Have you ever heard of 'inflation'?

what would happen if you suddenly woke up one morning and discovered that a loaf of bread cost a $1000?

Obviously this is an extreme example, but seriously, this was the situation during the great depression, all through inflation. Hell, gas has jumped so much in the last few months, now this is driving inflation.

You see inflation does effect you even if your'e a responsible citizen and you have no debt, because the government manages the economy, if they get it wrong, then you suffer, not them.

The problem we have in the US, is as the guy shows in the film. The government has sub-contracted out the issuing of money to a private bank the Federal Reserve Bank (FR which is not a public or government instituition.

This bank as the guy shows is not a government run institution and hence is not accountable to the people of the US. It's run by private individuals who meet on a regular basis to decide how much money to issue and at what interest rate to set on loans made.

If they decide to set the interest rate to 3% then the government which has loaned money from them is forced to curtail it's spending to that it can meet this repayment. The government is also forced to raise taxes to meet the interest payments on the debt. Similarly private people who have loaned money from other banks who have in turned loaned money from the FRB are also effected in the same way.

If the FRB decides the raise the interest rate to 15%. Then this would trigger hyper inflation, and as such the price of a loaf of bread would double every 3 days, and there would be nothing you could do about it, unless you have taken the safe precaution of investing in your own farm and can grow your own wheat for your own bread.

You see, even the government is not really in charge, the FRB is. The film is very good because the guy in the film dosn't get political, but he shows how the 'money changers' have used this scam for centuries to enact unfair taxation and fiddle the money markets at peoples expense.

As you said, if ordinary people don't borrow then the problem would not exist, but this is not entirely true, because if your government decides to borrow, then they hit you with taxes to pay back the loan, and hence inflation then occurs.

The guy in the film also explains sensibley that they are now trying to engineer another depression which will place the whole world under their sinister scheme. George Bush is helping them and so are you by sitting on your backside and doing nothing.

Seriously one day soon your'e going to wake up and discover that a truck full of money will only be worth one loaf of bread, and your'e going to wonder, how the hell did we ever get in this situation.

read John Steinbeck to understand how serious a depression is!

The FRB is a money scam, that's all it is. The government could do something as suggested in the film by taking back the function of re-iussing money from the FRB, and hence it is once again in the hands of the people. However, the government won't do this until people start understanding what's going on and start understanding who to vote for in elections.

As the film show most countries in western Europe have operated under this system for several centuries, and hence unnessary wars have come and gone under the system, which ave made people like Rothschilds richer and richer and richer.

I believe Income Tax could be abolished if we get rid of the 'moneychangers, and would be fantastic!
Of course it's that simple. Gas prices are up. Okay. Don't drive as much. Stop buying SUV's. Keep your car maintained so it gets better mileage. All these things you should be doing anyway.

With all the money Americans burn on useless crap, it wouldn't be so difficult to keep yourself afloat by cutting out nonessentials.

Do you REALLY need 3-ply scented toilet paper at $8 a 4-pack? No. Do you REALLY need to spend $5- $10 a day on ordering lunch and having it delivered, because your ass is too lazy to make your own food and bring it to the office?

Why blame the government? I'm not saying they don't have some responsibility here. But face facts. Americans are tards. We use and use and use and waste and waste and waste without any regard to the consequences.


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Of course it's that simple. Gas prices are up. Okay. Don't drive as much. Stop buying SUV's. Keep your car maintained so it gets better mileage. All these things you should be doing anyway.

With all the money Americans burn on useless crap, it wouldn't be so difficult to keep yourself afloat by cutting out nonessentials.

Do you REALLY need 3-ply scented toilet paper at $8 a 4-pack? No. Do you REALLY need to spend $5- $10 a day on ordering lunch and having it delivered, because your ass is too lazy to make your own food and bring it to the office?

Why blame the government? I'm not saying they don't have some responsibility here. But face facts. Americans are tards. We use and use and use and waste and waste and waste without any regard to the consequences.
it's not that simple!

If you own a business, even a small business, you have to pay TAX to the government. If the government has chosen to screw it's citizens by raising TAXES to pay the debts they've incurred with the FRB, then you either have to:

* raise prices in your business
* cut your overheads
* find cheaper suppliers

or go BUST.

TAX is not avoidable even if your become the most eco-centric efficient self-sufficent person on the planet. Even small family farmers have to pay tax, and they are about as efficient as one can get. So it's not as simple as you suggest.

The government will tax you and keep on taxing you so long as their in debt, and guess what happens if you dont pay your'e tax

that is simple - they put you in jail!

So in the future you have a choice, continue paying higher taxes whilst reducing yourself to the status of a slave, or sod the system and go to jail, or do something about the bloody government (and I don't mean violent communist revolution here which is for pricks and idiots. I mean sensible organised political campaigning to get more honest candidates into power).
  
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Here is a picture of Israeli currency, featuring The "French" Branch of the Rothschild Banking Family; Baron Edmond James De Rothschild.




As for Hitler and the Rothschild Money, I believe this to be true, that they financed Hitler; Germany was set up once again as they were in WW1, only to be knocked down once and for all.

They likely knew that the combined forces of a militarized British, American and Soviet Union, backed by their unlimited supply of money on loan, could put an end to German ambitions once and for all!

I believe the Rothschilds also embellished stories of NAZI brutality and the "holocaust" in order to create a world wide mandate for the Zionist State of Israel.

As utopian as the NAZI state appears, and as brilliant as the Nuremberg rallies were, and as altruistic as Hilter was as a leader, I do prefer a Free Republic to the Totalitarian NAZI state.

Teutonic people are a good and moral people, once the destructive influence of the Money Changers is removed, we should be able to create for ourselves a Free and Prosperous society for our own people, which in turn will benefit all of the people of the world.

The world may never be perfect, but our goal does not need to be perfection, merely a free and happy future for ourselves and for our people.

As for the "War" however,

Not only did the Bankers make a fortune off of the War; they also got a "reason" to import Europes Jews into Palestine and create the Zionist State.

Oddly, they may even be responsible for financing both sides of the Palestinian/ Jewsih conflict as wel as other conflicts in the Middle East, I know that the World Bank/IMF has been deeply involved in the Middle East as well as Africa.

As for Africa,

The World Bank sponsors the "Live 8" Rock Concerts in which billions are handed over to them by all of the industrial powers.

Of course the World Bank/IMF is a FOR PROFIT organization and they skim BILLIONS off of the initial "donations" to Africa, then establish Central banks, set policy and charge interest on the money that "we" gave the Africans.

It is a total racket!

This is what happens when the mafia runs the world of finance.

They make billions off of the backs of the middle class working man, and the suffering of the poor.

Check out this picture: Wolfowitz and Wolfensohn.

"Blood Brothers" at the World Bank; they are practically twins.

  
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You'd be a lot more credible if you didn't bring Hitler into every single discussion. I realize you want his penis, but for fuck's sake, man.

And actually, you can get away with not paying taxes for quite some time. I'm a 1099 employee. I don't "do taxes" exactly. I just send the government a few hundred bucks every year. Have they come beating down my door ready to haul me off to jail? No. The majority of people that are jailed for tax evasion/fraud are those that have incomes surpassing the 6 figure mark.

Furthermore, taxes are useful. They fund such things as ROADS, SCHOOLS, LAW ENFORCEMENT.

But if you're anti-law enforcement, anti-educational opportunity, and pro-horse and cart... I suppose taxes really are a bitch.


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You'd be a lot more credible if you didn't bring Hitler into every single discussion. I realize you want his penis, but for fuck's sake, man.

And actually, you can get away with not paying taxes for quite some time. I'm a 1099 employee. I don't "do taxes" exactly. I just send the government a few hundred bucks every year. Have they come beating down my door ready to haul me off to jail? No. The majority of people that are jailed for tax evasion/fraud are those that have incomes surpassing the 6 figure mark.

Furthermore, taxes are useful. They fund such things as ROADS, SCHOOLS, LAW ENFORCEMENT.

But if you're anti-law enforcement, anti-educational opportunity, and pro-horse and cart... I suppose taxes really are a bitch.
People who are filed under 1099 dont usually get busted, thier employers do. We use this trick to nail construction companies all the time who take on mexican workers lable them 1099s and dont pay for thier social security taxes or medical insurance and refer them to the state instead. Are you an actual employee of your working establishment? If you are and you dont own your own actual little private company and are subcontracting then the people that are paying you can be nailed hard for fraud.
  
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