What is your opinion? Is Magick something that anyone can learn to use, or something that only few with a talent? Or per religion? Whats your ideas?

I believe everyone has the ability to perform magic, but the ability lies dormant in most. Some experiences an Awakening in their teens, some after major turbulences in their life...Others never wake up. But the talents are there.

They could be locked down due to disbelief to the entire concept of magic, a refulas to believe at all. Or, they could be blocked if your mind is not ready to cope with it, great emotional distress, etc. Or due to events in your past life, prohibiting you from making past mistakesc over again.


*sorry for short post and possibly seriouslt flawed logic...very very tired*

I agree with Clear on this, it's a matter integrating and harnessing innate abilities and opening up to the communion with your Higher Spirit. Daily life causes many distractions and often people simply do not focus enough time and energy to open these channels of communicating. It's a matter of constant practice, the more you tune into your own inner senses the more natural it becomes.

Anyone can do Magick, in the sense that it consists of internal mental projections. The experience is a personal one, without external impact upon others. Any apparent alteration in reality, or event seemingly linked to Magickal undertakings, is actually a matter of biased perception and coincidence.

I agree that anything Magick related can be a personal one, but there are Universal Laws of Nature as it were, the rhythms of cause and effect. To propose that energy and intent has no bearing on the elements which surround us or those towards whom the intent is directed I would find to be an isolated notion. To simply dismiss the possibility of this is in my opinion somewhat narrow-minded. But each person's opinion is validated... For we all draw from personal experience.

It is not a matter of isolation, it is a matter of interaction on a basic physical level. The intent of an individual can show in body language, and in your voice. Even the things you say send signals. People pick up on these, without even knowing they have detected these patterns of behaviour. That is how intent can impact on human interactions.

As for actually altering the world around you. Well, this is possible through physical interaction. I can lift the cup beside me, but if i wished to move it through mental means, i would not be able to. Willing something to happen is meaningless, unless you take actions to go after your goal/s. These actions must start in the mind and move to the physical world. People can fly because they built planes, not because they willed themselves into the air.

That's a matter of your perception being so. But just to clarify, I meant your statement to be rather isolated, not the experience or practice of said topic. And simply because you experience things through your level of perception does not make it true for the masses of humanity around you. Remember that, what you see is what you create, I could have a vastly different vision to your own.

I know what you meant. Perhaps i should have been clearer? I suggest human interaction, over reality manipulation. Perception does not alter reality. Reality remains constant. We do not create that which is around us, we merely interpret it. Our interpretations may differ, but what we interpret does not. Just because ancient peoples saw the Sun as a divine being, does not alter the reality that it is a Star. We could both see a person and you might consider them unattractive, whilst i find them attractive. This does not alter their features.

Anyone can they just need a bit of a....push....
*Cheers loudly*

I think anyone can, and I think everyone probably does, without even knowing that they're doing it...

But then some people can probably harness the talent and direct it at will...

It's a matter of perception, in my opinion everything is. If you wish your reality to remain a constant it will do so. I am of the belief that the saying "Seeing is believing" had it backwards. I prefer Believing IS Seeing.
"We do not create that which is around us, we merely interpret it." I agree with you insofar as on a mass conscious level we have created the reality that is accepted at a gross level, and we continue to feed that particular reality, through a society structure and a religious one.
The question of perceiving beauty is a very subjective issue. If you were meaning to say that if I had to wave a magick wand and suddenly change someone from a blonde to a brunette because I prefer that colour I would have to agree with the level of consistency in the "reality we perceive". But if I have to use a very banal and silly example, have a look at the film "Shallow Hal" starring Gwyneth Paltrow. Showing how one's perception can change the way a person looks.

"I can lift the cup beside me, but if i wished to move it through mental means, i would not be able to. Willing something to happen is meaningless, unless you take actions to go after your goal/s."

On an intellectual level, indeed, if you wish to see something manifest within your life you have to make it happen, but with esoteric, metaphysical and astral levels I have to disagree. As would individuals who practice and achieve levitation, as would Monks who use sound vibrations to move objects... The feats of the early Egyptians being able to contruct edifices that defy gravity and logic. If we were not able to impart energy that would thus alter that which we come into contact with we would not experience things such as energy healing or harnessing.
All of life is magick, every single breathing moment constitutes magick, for magick is creating, and we are in process of creation every second of our lives.

Society and Religion both shape how we see the world, but they do not alter reality. General consensus does not shape the fabric of reality. If it did, there would never have been planes or cars. People used to believe that the human body would be crushed by speeds we do in cars every day. The reality was different. Same with the world being flat.

Ok, to take your example of Gwyneth. The reality is, though he saw her as slender, she really was obese. Her weight did not change, just how he viewed her. She did not suddenly slim down.

I equate the astral world with a dream landscape. It is purely a matter of your own imagination, creating an interactive mental domain. In which, the laws you apply to yourself, are of your own creation. Limited only by your own mind.

Attempts to prove levitation in laboratory settings have failed. Whether this is because the atmosphere is not conducive, or there is some element of trickery, remains to be seen. Sound waves can be used to move things. They can be used for many things, this is not supernatural. As for the Pyramids, i admit they are impressive structures, but there is no reason to assume they were constructed with anything other than clever techniques.

I do not believe in energy healing. I'd argue in favour of the Placebo Effect. If you want to call the act of living Magickal, then that is up to you. To me, it is a natural function of our complex brains, to absorb and interpret.

Anyone who truly believe can.

Interesting perspective you have Vallisk, but it seems we are veering slightly off key here. The main issue of this thread is whether just anyone is capable of doing magick. Perhaps we could start another thread about concepts of reality. Although, I do believe one's opinion towards reality as such will have an affect on performing magick, or not for that matter.
There could be the opinion that magick in fact alters reality and thus the two concepts are interchangable. In any event, after reading through your post again, I have to say that it simply reinforces my belief in 'anything under the sun is possible'. I prefer not to dismiss anything because it may interfere with my sense of logic. But then again, everything is about polar opposites, and both aspects are needed in life.

it's a matter of tuning into the forces around you and becoming one with the energy that flows through all living things...once you can do that...magick happens!

Okay, this is a tough one for me, because I use magic every day, but I haven't always....

any soul can make magic.... it isn't like faith, although it starts that way.... once you see that the magic works, you no longer need faith, because you have proof... that reinforcement gives you more strength, the -knowledge- that if you do what is necessary, the knowledge that certain steps will make certain things happen, .... that... gives you immense power...

next you need to channel it correctly.

can -anyone- do it? Yes, if they -accept- that they can do it...


*hopes this makes sense*

True. My fault, i admit.

I don't believe that Magick exists in a real sense, but in the mental arena, i accept that you could call some perceptions Magickal. All i can add to the conversation, is that some people cannot believe in Magick. Simply because there is no acceptable evidence for it in their lives.

You already know my opinion on that. Magick is all around us, in us, in everything. It is the natural energy that binds the universe together, and anyone can manipulate it to an extent if they try. Everyone is born with some ability in it, some in certain specialized areas, others in other areas. Some with not that great of a power, some with a lot. *shrug* and you can train yourself in it to grow stronger.

Anyone can use Magick, although People with Psychic powers or talent as you call it, find it easier to do.

But Anyone can do it because it is a Delullusion,reality,illusion,belief,a connection to nature, the ability to throw ligtening bolts,god given, devil made,spell that work, slight of hand... it is everything believed of it and more.

Vassilisk

Perhaps the Sun is a Divine being and A Star and a Home to Angels. All at once...
Like Killing someone who is trying to kill you, it is self defence, It Is Murder, It is Justitified, it is Taking away Another's Basic Right, It was either him or you... All of these things are true, and neither truth lessens any other truth.


If the Human Brain Was so Simple we could understand it, then We would be so simple we could not.

Alister Crowley once said "Magick is the conformaty of reality to will"
everyone has willpower(however little) and thus everyone has the innate ability to create magick.not everyone does, and why should they? magick can be as simple as a whispered prayer to mercury when stuck in traffic, its both sacred and mundane