I think you're labouring under the misapprehension that he only started gassing kurds in the '90's... I'm pretty sure he was doing it, with our weapons and blessing, long before that... Of course, I seem to remeber that at the time, the public were sheltered from much of this, after all,

As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.

D.H. Rumsfeld —Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

according to where you live 1.5Mil is not very much these days. Some family homes in Ca. are going for that much.

According to whom??

The freedom to drag your ass out of the dregs and make it rich. Take for instance someone famous like Eminem. H egrew up piss ass poor in a trailor park with abusive family and yet he was able to make it rich and is now a millionare. That is what kind of oppurtunity exists in the United States.

You seem to care quite a bit. If you did not you would not care about what I have to say. Historians agree wholeheartedly. Go take a look.
We allowed the Russians to bleed the last drop in Berlin. It was our tactics which led both of our great armies there. It was us who gave the Russians the OK to beat down the doors of Berlin.

Play it out however you wish.

More than that, I think. Something like 2.6 million German troops were killed in Russia, and 12 million Russian troops were killed by the Germans, along with about 8 million civilians.

I already said Rumsfield was an asshole. Lets leave it at that shall we

I personally know a Kurd who was alive in that time. And up until the early 90's the only thing they feared were the Turks and the hardcore Shi'ites. All of a sudden Saddam got pissed off because the United Nations hired a bunch of Kurds--"My friends Dad was one" to "spy" on the Iraqian government. So he started to slaughter them to send them a message. My friend with the assistance of the UN escaped with some of his family. After being turned down by several countries for asylum the US took them in. I will not turn over another rock by listing those countries because you would just hemhaw that as well

That's the answer then, the Russians won the war for all of us...

They did not drop the two bombs which ended it for sure. Two bombs which in the end saved thousands if not more.

[quote=Dyshade]Yeah Yeah, they peddle that crap about how someone growing up in a Glasgow Ghetto has the same opportunity as a Fettes schooled millionaires son over here too...

The same historians who wrote Braveheart? Give me a break... The minute your country was created you started wiping out the Indians and revising history. But revise all you want, I don't care...

Very noble of you if you did, but did you hell... They beat them down because they got there first...

Gimmie a break. Do you honestly think we had the means to stop them?

1) He may be an ass, but his poems are cool...

2) turn over as many rocks as you want... I despise her majesties government, and have despised all her governments since I was born... It would not surprise me in the slightest if your friend was abandoned by an uncaring Britain...

Yes. We had two A-Bombs if not more prepared for Japan. Would not have taken much to drop one on Berlin. We knew th eRussians were itching to settle the score between them and Germany for Hitler knocking on Moscows door. So we let them finish the job.

Yet you insist we left her to the nazi beast. Why is that? Somewhere in the back of your mind you do care? Do you? I wonder.

If I'm not mistaken, Berlin fell before we (or should I say you, Canada didn't have nukes) had a chance to use them. They were originally intended for Germany, after all.

[quote=prometheus]The final chapter in the destruction of Hitler's Third Reich began on April 16, 1945 when Stalin unleashed the brutal power of 20 armies, 6,300 tanks and 8,500 aircraft with the objective of crushing German resistance and capturing Berlin. By prior agreement, the Allied armies (positioned approximately 60 miles to the west) halted advance on the city in order to give the Soviets a free hand. The depleted German forces put up a stiff defense, initially repelling the attacking Russians, but ultimately succumbing to overwhelming force. By April 24 the Soviet army surrounded the city slowly tightening its stranglehold on the remaining Nazi defenders. Fighting street-to-street and house-to-house, Russian troops blasted their way towards Hitler's chancellery in the city's center.

The canadians kicked some severe ass in Normandy though

No I simply feel that I've heard more than enough smug self congratulation from both the UK and USA to last me a lifetime...

[quote=Dyshade]
Thank You...

[quote=prometheus]HAHHAHAHAA!!! You guys have a Class system in the UK. We have a classless one. Of course some poor bugger in a ghetto in the UK has a dicks chance in hell of getting out. We'll take you here though and give you a chance in our Capitalist society.



We going to start in on hating us even more by bringing up the Indians eh??

LOL... no historians wrote Braveheart... where were you during the credits?? Taking a piss??


Not noble of me. Noble of the United States. And yes it was.