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Serious Discussion Discuss Iran: The Trigger For World War III? in the Discussions forums; Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd The one in SOuth Asia was started by our French pansy allies.... Actually from what I've learned, the French were tough as nails ...

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The one in SOuth Asia was started by our French pansy allies....
Actually from what I've learned, the French were tough as nails defending Dien Bien Phu.

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Aaahhh... the train bombings were in London. If you'll take the time to look at a map of Europe you'll notice Scotland is a tad north of London... and interestingly enough, prometheus resides in Scotland.


I would suggest that the U.S. entering WWII only hastened the end of that war. I am of the opinion that the British and their allies, including Russia, would have eventually defeated the Axis powers. The Axis had spread itself too thin by attacking Russia, attempting to sieze control of the northern part of the African continent, and by trying to control pretty much all of the Pacific. The defeat of the Axis powers would have happened either way.
I think this is a pretty good analysis of the situation... Billy's analysis is something that I have noticed is not unique however... I think there are definitely zip code variations on what the books say about World War II... In America, they say the USA saved the floundering allies from being marauded, and in Europe, they say the USA did far too little far too late...

I would think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle...


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I dunno. The Germans were mere months away from producing thier own Atomic bomb when we dropped ours and they already had Jet-propelled rockets for delivery. They would hav ebeen able to send an atomic bomb on auto-pilot to a destination several hundred miles away.



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The radar wasnt superior it was just the only one. The Luftwaffe was beaten that time. It wouldnt have been beaten again the Brits had nothing left to fight with. The Brits were beat and were lucky the US got in before they could be taken over.
For one thing, the battle of Britain and all attempts to invade Britain were over a year before the USA came into the war, and for another, the Germans had detection and ranging equipment, it was just very primitive and it was easy for us to jam it...

The luftwaffe overstretched themselves... They had enough fuel to fly over Britain, bomb things and then return straight home... On the way back home our fighter pilots took them down when they were too low on fuel to stick around and get involved in dog fights... It was a tactic that proved devastatingly effective and all plans for an invasion were shelved for good...


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I dunno. The Germans were mere months away from producing thier own Atomic bomb when we dropped ours and they already had Jet-propelled rockets for delivery. They would hav ebeen able to send an atomic bomb on auto-pilot to a destination several hundred miles away.
V2 rockets had no navigation and guidance controls beyond sending them up in the air and pointing them in the general direction of a target... There is no way they would have accomodated an atomic bomb with the technology available at the time... It was the USA and Russia who perfected inertial measurement based gimbaling on rockets...


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I think this is a pretty good analysis of the situation... Billy's analysis is something that I have noticed is not unique however... I think there are definitely zip code variations on what the books say about World War II... In America, they say the USA saved the floundering allies from being marauded, and in Europe, they say the USA did far too little far too late...

I would think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle...
Yes saving Europe from Germany was too little. LOL!
  
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I dunno. The Germans were mere months away from producing thier own Atomic bomb when we dropped ours and they already had Jet-propelled rockets for delivery. They would hav ebeen able to send an atomic bomb on auto-pilot to a destination several hundred miles away.
If the USA lets say decided to attack Japan only and not Germany. Britians would be speaking German today so would the Russians.
  
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For one thing, the battle of Britain and all attempts to invade Britain were over a year before the USA came into the war, and for another, the Germans had detection and ranging equipment, it was just very primitive and it was easy for us to jam it...

The luftwaffe overstretched themselves... They had enough fuel to fly over Britain, bomb things and then return straight home... On the way back home our fighter pilots took them down when they were too low on fuel to stick around and get involved in dog fights... It was a tactic that proved devastatingly effective and all plans for an invasion were shelved for good...
Again England spent itself after the battle of Britain. Germany was fighting on one front really at that time, the Russians. And decided that they were the greatest threat, and that it would be better to simply keep the English holed up on thier crusty little island and focus on taking down the Ruskies. If thr Americans hadnjt shown up to beat the shit out of the Germans, fuck all the British and French women and save the day the Russians would have fallen and then the English would have been next. We however opend up a few fronts. Forced Hitler to divide his forces and spread himself too thin. Russia began to kick ass at that time and the English were able to ride the coat tails of the USA to a victory.
  
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V2 rockets had no navigation and guidance controls beyond sending them up in the air and pointing them in the general direction of a target... There is no way they would have accomodated an atomic bomb with the technology available at the time... It was the USA and Russia who perfected inertial measurement based gimbaling on rockets...
And yet they were close to building an atomic bomb, but please by all means keep thinking that England and your communist heros were the ones who stopped the Nazis.
  
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For one thing, the battle of Britain and all attempts to invade Britain were over a year before the USA came into the war, and for another, the Germans had detection and ranging equipment, it was just very primitive and it was easy for us to jam it...

The luftwaffe overstretched themselves... They had enough fuel to fly over Britain, bomb things and then return straight home... On the way back home our fighter pilots took them down when they were too low on fuel to stick around and get involved in dog fights... It was a tactic that proved devastatingly effective and all plans for an invasion were shelved for good...
It was right after th eBattle Of Britian that the brunt of US aid became invaluable to the English. You were cut off in the east,north, and the south. The Atlantic "lifeline" to the US was a lifesaver to many British citizens.



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April - British Security Coordination office was established by Canadian-born William S. Stephenson, code-named Intrepid, who arrived in the United States to "assure sufficient aid for Britain, to counter the enemy's subversive plans throughout the Western Hemisphere and eventually to bring the United States into the War" (Thomas Mahl, Desperate Deception, p.10). The BSC would establish ties with the FBI and State Department and pushed the creation of the Coordinator of Information by July 1941 that became the Office of Strategic Services in June 1942. The British recruited the help of the Fight For Freedom Committee, Walter Lippmann, Arthur Hayes Sulzberger, Henry Luce, using the the polling organization Market Analysts, Inc. to create public support for intervention, attacked isolationist Congressman Hamilton Fish and provided mistresses to Senator Arthur Vandenberg, all to get US aid for Britain.

July 15 - W.M.L. "Billy" Fiske was one of the first Americans to volunteer to fight in Britain, joining the RAF 601 Squadron at Tangarere. His plane was damaged in battle and burned on landing, and Fiske died Aug. 17, the first American in uniform to die in Europe in WWII. More volunteers followed, some led by Col. Charles Sweeney or recruited by the Clayton Knight Committee, and became part of the Eagle Squadrons in the RAF after September 1940.



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It was right after th eBattle Of Britian that the brunt of US aid became invaluable to the English. You were cut off in the east,north, and the south. The Atlantic "lifeline" to the US was a lifesaver to many British citizens.
Youre wasting your time. The younger generation of Brits usually grow up to hate England and the USA and love commies and islamo-facists. They onyl star tto talk bravely about England when they are discussing how much the US sucks, ya know how the English single handedly defeated the Nazis, and how the US only arrived to kill yellow skinned pacifists in Japan to scare the Russians.
  
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April - British Security Coordination office was established by Canadian-born William S. Stephenson, code-named Intrepid, who arrived in the United States to "assure sufficient aid for Britain, to counter the enemy's subversive plans throughout the Western Hemisphere and eventually to bring the United States into the War" (Thomas Mahl, Desperate Deception, p.10). The BSC would establish ties with the FBI and State Department and pushed the creation of the Coordinator of Information by July 1941 that became the Office of Strategic Services in June 1942. The British recruited the help of the Fight For Freedom Committee, Walter Lippmann, Arthur Hayes Sulzberger, Henry Luce, using the the polling organization Market Analysts, Inc. to create public support for intervention, attacked isolationist Congressman Hamilton Fish and provided mistresses to Senator Arthur Vandenberg, all to get US aid for Britain.

July 15 - W.M.L. "Billy" Fiske was one of the first Americans to volunteer to fight in Britain, joining the RAF 601 Squadron at Tangarere. His plane was damaged in battle and burned on landing, and Fiske died Aug. 17, the first American in uniform to die in Europe in WWII. More volunteers followed, some led by Col. Charles Sweeney or recruited by the Clayton Knight Committee, and became part of the Eagle Squadrons in the RAF after September 1940.
Wait a minute there were Americans in the RAF? HAHAHAHAHAH!
  
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So it seems we were fighting in Europe long before the advent of the Pearl Harbor Bombing.



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Wait a minute there were Americans in the RAF? HAHAHAHAHAH!
The Eagle Squadron was entirely American.



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The Eagle Squadron was entirely American.
So much for the brave defense of the British single handedly against the Nazis, and wasnt it the Dog fighting in the skies over England that made them so "famous"? Lucky they had a few Americans to chip in.
  
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One reason the Japanese never were involved in the attack against Britian was because FDR told the Emperor of Japan the US would immediately declare war on them if they did. Apperantly this pissed him off as the attack on Pearl Harbor shows us.



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One of my great uncles went to Canada in 1940 and joined the RAF.
  
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